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Monday, October 24, 2005

Comparing the Flight 93 Crash with the Recent Nigerian 737 Crash

Links for the Nigerian crash here, here and here.

This story is very recent and has the most pictures.

Detail of the Nigerian crash:
Dismembered and burned body parts, fuselage fragments and engine parts were strewn over an area the size of a football field.

A wig, human intestines, clothes, foam seats and a hand were seen wedged in the sodden earth. A check for 948,000 naira ($7200) from the evangelical Deeper Life church was one of a number of personal papers found in the smoldering wreckage.

1) a medium size Boeing jet (757 for UA93, 737 for Nigeria jet) crashes at high speed in soft ground (filled in mine for UA93, swamp for Nigeria jet).
2) the plane disintegrates upon crashing, leaving a large crater (some pictures n the links).
3) passengers are all killed, bodies are mostly torn apart.
4) the crash was very violent, in both cases "small bits of fuselage, human flesh and clothing were strewn in nearby trees."
5) the debris fields are similar sizes

1) the Nigerian crash was on fire for over a day, unlike UA93
2) the Nigerian jet does NOT disappear into the ground, unlike UA93 supposedly did
3) most importantly, large easily-recognizable body parts and large plane pieces were strewn around the crash site and were easily found, unlike UA93 where no plane parts were near the crater and human remains were in very small pieces-- mostly pieces of skin.

So-- why so many similarities yet so many major differences?

Why does the flight 93 crash defy logic, unless it is faked?


Anonymous Rob said...

you beat me to it spooked! ;-)

The Shanksville site is the FIRST THING I thought of when seeing footage of the Nigerian 737 crash!

When the commentator said that the crash was "so severe" that some of the plane actually "buried itself in the ground" (I immediately thought: now WHERE have I heard THAT one before!?)..yet there was STILL, LOADS of clearly recognizable aircraft parts, namely LARGE WING SECTIONS.....that sealed it once and for all in my mind that the Shanksville crash site IS BOGUS!!

2:42 AM  
Blogger Spooked said...

Exactly Rob. Great minds think alike, eh?

9:59 AM  
Anonymous pinch said...

"Great minds"? Where!!!

Seriously...once again, you guys crack me up.

Apples and oranges - both are round shaped fruit, but there the similarities end. I know your bias towards anything administration-related will severely and totally preclude any objective look at things, but aside from the fact that these were both aircraft that crashed, I don't see many facts that are shared. What was the speed of the Nigerian aircraft? Was it close to the estimated 500+ knots that 93 was flying? What was the angle of impact? 90 degrees? 45 degrees? That alone will cause energy dissipation that will significantly affect the distribution and make-up of the wreckage field. The article said it occured shortly after takeoff (within 20 miles of the field)- any pilot that has the time to make a distress call will also be doing the "pilot" things inherent to an aircraft in distress - slowing down, maintaining flight capability, and making arrangements if possible to return to a landing field. All of these things were completely absent from Flight 93.

If you insist on continuing to discuss aviation-related things I would suggest you do yourself a favor and find someone who knows something about aviation to vet these accusation/issues before you go off and make an even bigger fool out of yourself by posting them in a public forum.

9:58 AM  
Anonymous Rob said...

And Right on cue, the shill(s) show up making excues for what they KNOW to be LIES.

There was NOTHING, repeat NOTHING found at Shanksville. No bodies, seats, wing parts...NOTHING. Just a hole and some burnt trees. I have interviews with EYEWITNESSES who SAW THE CRASH SCENE...FOR THEMSELVES! They state you would never know a large airliner crashed there, because there WAS NOTHING THERE TO SEE. NO-THING. NO recognizable aircraft debris. And before you even begin, LARGE COMMERICIAL AIRLINERS JUST DON'T COMPLETELY VAPORIZE INTO NOTHING. Unless you believe the Bush Cabal, that is.

I suggest you do some of your own research...or just keep your headset plugged 24/7 into the Bush Channel, as you seem to be doing. ;-)

When will you stop Pimping for the Liars?

4:22 PM  
Anonymous Rob said...

A 100+ TON, commericial airliner crashed here.

Then completely vaporized.

Suuuuuure it did.

And if you believe THAT fairy tale, I have some of Saddam's "Nookular" weapons to sell you. :)

4:29 PM  
Anonymous pinch said...

That is exactly what I mean about being unable to objectively look at anything related in any way, shape or form with this. ANYTHING that tasks your pathetic little conspiracy mind with anything other than what you claim to see is too difficult for you to fathom.

"Lambert (a distant relative of Nevin's) says his first trip around the site in October was "overwhelming and heartbreaking." He was absorbing the devastation when his escort, Somerset County Coroner Wally Miller, held up a quarter-size piece of metal. "As soon as he did that, you saw plane parts everywhere," Lambert says. Now, he can't help searching the ground every time he visits. "I don't notice the trees, the beauty of the land, the grass, or the snow," he says. "I just notice plane parts."

"All that debris, and the fact that only 8 percent of the human remains could be recovered, mean the site is, essentially, a cemetery, Miller says."

"Only the seven landowners with deeds to various sections of the area may visit their acreage. Errant shards of the aircraft can still be found there–twisted plates of the machine's metal skin and swatches of patterned seat covers–but it's illegal to keep them. They're still considered evidence, and the area a crime scene..."

"There was a crater in the ground that was really burning. There were pieces of fuselage and clothing all over the area, burning, said Peterson. He said he didn't see any debris longer than a couple of feet long.

"Spallone said the plane was still smoldering at 12:30. He said officials were trying to keep people from scene and confirmed that there are no survivors. He said the "debris field spread over an area size of a football field, maybe two footballs fields." The impact of the crash was so severe that the biggest piece of debris he has seen there is no bigger than 2 feet."

"Crowley explained that all aircraft parts were handed over to United Airlines, with the exception of the black boxes, the flight data recorder and the voice cockpit recorder, which are currently being analyzed by investigators in Washington D.C.
Crowley related that 95 percent of the airplane had been recovered. The biggest piece of aircraft found was a fuselage skin measuring about 6 to 7 feet. The heaviest piece was from one of the engines and weighed 1,000 pounds."

And here I though you said everything was VAPORIZED. Silly me.

Waiting for your next frothy, vein-throbbing, spittle-flying, eye bulging conspiracy rant.

6:07 PM  
Anonymous Rob said...

The Official Conspiracy Theory of 9/11 is a LIE.

You know it.

I know it.

The American people are beginning to know it by the MILLIONS.

And that has the murderers in our country who pulled this scam on us getting more nervous & uncomfortable.

They don't like it when the Sheeple wake up.

That's why, when Shills like you come out from under the cabinets to defend the monumentally PREPOSTEROUS and illogical, physics-defying "Official" idea that a 100,000+ Lb. airliner crashed in this small hole as can be seen here:

...with not ANY plane parts to be seen ANYWHERE in the aerial shots I have shown...

...a concept that no one with two brain cells to rub together would try and defend with a straight face, you expose who you really are.

Can we say OBVIOUS "Shill" boys & girls?...I knew you all could! hehe ;-)


American Free Press visited Somerset County to look into some of the questions surrounding United Airlines Flight 93, which allegedly turned over and crashed in a refilled strip mine between Lambertsville and Shanksville, Pa., taking 44 lives with it.

Many local residents believe the plane was shot down, which they say would explain why parts of the plane and its contents were found strewn over a large area.

One question, “is what happened to the physical wreckage of the plane?”

“There was no plane,” Ernie Stull, mayor of Shanksville, told German television in March 2003:

“My sister and a good friend of mine were the first ones there,” Stull said. “They were standing on a street corner in Shanksville talking. Their car was nearby, so they were the first here—and the fire department came. Everyone was puzzled, because the call had been that a plane had crashed. But there was no plane.”

“They had been sent here because of a crash, but there was no plane?” the reporter asked.

“No. Nothing. Only this hole.”
When AFP asked Stull about his comments, he disagreed about when he had gone to the crash site. “A day or two later,” Stull said, was about when he went to the site. But he reiterated the fact that they saw little evidence of a plane crash.

Nena Lensbouer, who had prepared lunch for the workers at the scrap yard overlooking the crash site, was the first person to go up to the smoking crater.

Lensbouer told AFP that the hole was five to six feet deep and smaller than the 24-foot trailer in her front yard. She described hearing “an explosion, like an atomic bomb”—not a crash.

Lensbouer called 911 and stayed on the line as she ran across the reclaimed land of the former strip mine to within 15 feet of the smoking crater.

Lensbouer told AFP that she did not see any evidence of a plane then or at any time during the excavation at the site, an effort that reportedly recovered 95 percent of the plane and 10 percent of the human remains.

While specific details vary, the explanation for the disappearance of the plane is that the reclaimed land acted like liquid and absorbed the aircraft, which is said to have impacted at between 450 and 600 miles per hour.

This explanation is also used to explain why there was only a brief explosion with one short-lived smoke cloud, not unlike a bomb blast.

“I never saw that smoke,” Paula Long, an eyewitness, told AFP. Long ran “immediately” after hearing the crash but did not see the cloud of smoke caught in the now-famous photograph by Valencia McClatchey, she said.

“It [the ground] liquefied,” Bob Leverknight, an active member of the Air National Guard and correspondent with Somerset’s Daily American, told AFP regarding how the wreck and much of the fuel disappeared. One of the massive engines, Leverknight said, however, bounced off the ground and was found in the woods.

Jim Svonavec, whose company worked at the site and provided excavation equipment, told AFP that the recovery of the engine “at least 1,800 feet into the woods,” was done solely by FBI agents using his equipment.


How much are they paying you pinch? ;-)

BTW, I have some of Saddam's "Nookular" weapons...wanna buy some??

Oh, here's something for our resident SHILL to ponder:

"First of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen
this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on."

- George W. Bush, Jan 5, 2002, referring to the 'magic' TV on which he saw an attack that had not yet been broadcast.
(The 1st KNOWN video did not surface until the next day!)

1:48 AM  
Anonymous Rob said...

Hey Gov't mean pinch. Care to explain how the he tail number of Flight93, 591UA, was still registered as valid AFTER 9/11, and was actually SPOTTED FLYING!??

(for those that don't know...EVERY aircraft that flies in the US is given a UNIQUE number by the FAA.

I'm gonna LOVE watching you twist and contort as you try and explain THIS one! haaa

-or- You'll wise-up and not even TRY!

go ahead...surprise me!

:) more thing...'cos this is just TOOOO GOOD to resist! hehe

hey pinch, while you rack your brain to try and explain away the above, care to also explain why Flight 93, according to the Govt's BTS database, DID NOT TAKE OFF THAT DAY!???? (neither did Flight 11, btw)

nothing but a EMPTY...HOLE

2:45 AM  
Blogger Spooked said...

A couple of things--
1) I didn't say flight 93 was vaporized. I said it was faked. That would mean that they planted some plane parts along with a bomb. I have gone over why they would do this before.
2) you haven't explained the differences with the two crashes when there are many similarities between the crashes. Why is it comparing apples and oranges?
3) the main question is how "flight 93" disintegrated upon impact, spreading debris all around when most of the plane went into a hole and was never seen by anyone? The black boxes were supposedly found in the hole. Black boxes are in the tail of the plane. But the tail of the plane is too big to go in the hole and there is no sign of the tail anywhere near the crater. Where did the huge tail go?

Rob-- thanks for taking Pinch on. However, flight 93 did take off according to the BTS database. I think you confused it with flight 77.

This link:
shows there were other anomalies with flight 93 in the BTS database.

10:09 AM  
Anonymous Rob said...

You're right. It was Flight 11 as well as flight 77 that never had "Wheels-up" according the the BTS. :-)

It also is evident that a great many of the passengers on UAL flight 93 were actually originally scheduled to be on flight 91 that day, but were switched at the last minute to 93. That raises the question: on which of the flights were the "hijackers" originally booked...because as we all know, NONE of thier "names" appear on ANY of the flight manifests! Very curious indeed.

3:45 PM  
Anonymous pinch said...

Funny how all of a sudden a GOVERNMENT databse is to be believed, perfect, with no errors, speaking nothing but the truth now. Kind of selective in our government bashing, aren't we?

You can go ahead and keep finding quotes out of context about "there was no plane" when it is patently clear that comments such as those were spoken metaphorically rather than literally.

Claims that the aircraft registration number is still flying around on an aircraft are bullshit, I have no doubt. If that were the case there would be photos of this, a huge analysis of this fact would be headline news. I know you will say that it's the MAINSTREAM MEDIA SUPRESSING THE TRUTH, but any objective look would show clearly that ANY news organization would jump on that big time if there were a shred of truth to it. Which there isn't, but keep knocking yourself out with these National Enquirer-quality stories!

Rob was the one claiming the plane "vaporized". Clearly it wasn't. Once again an ignorance of the characteristics of an aircraft and the results of a tremendously violent crash at high speed at a sharp angle into the ground is displayed.

5:40 AM  
Anonymous Rob said...

HAA! lol...I KNEW you wouldn't/couldn't even try. Just call it all "Bullshit"...and crawl away. How apropos. ;-)

BTS says those planes never took off, NOR were they even scheduled for that day. I guess since there's no way for you to spin this inconvenient little fact Mr. Shill, you don't even attempt to...right? hehe

So, I still am curious as to how much they're paying you...

3:59 PM  
Anonymous said...

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5:26 AM  

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