Exopolitics
Fascinating:
Another exopolitics site here.
Important stuff, to be sure. Though rarely if ever do these sites mention the ultimate explanation for these UFO events.
Exopolitics is based upon the understanding that earth is being visited by many advanced extraterrestrial races with diverse ethics, motives and agendas. The dynamics of the interactions between ET races and their interactions with earth humanity is to be explored on this site.
Another exopolitics site here.
Important stuff, to be sure. Though rarely if ever do these sites mention the ultimate explanation for these UFO events.
posted by spooked at 9:19 PM
43 Comments:
http://exopolitics.blogspot.com/
limited hang-out.
ha ha!
Well said 11:23. Is that you, h?
No field is more crucial for the PTB and their intel agency lackey scum to control, than the “UFO/Alien” field of knowledge.
The entirety of this field are intel assets, that is clear. It is one giant limited hangout to hide the Ultimate Truth. So the “exopolitics“ leaders will say, “Yes UFOs are real, yes we are visited. We need to communicate with them, yada, yada. But will never say that the ones down here are not interested in communicating or in “politicing” with humans.
They created us to be slaves and PAWNS IN THEIR ESCAPE PLANS which involve, and have involved, mass murdering our species. Likely with the outcome being total annhilation, if they are successful. These “exopolitcs” sites, organzations, etc., are pure hangout/intel agency crap. It is very easy to see.
E.g., Stephen Greer, M.D. and his “Disclosure Project.” More correct would be “Desperate Non-Disclosure Project.” Notice how they throw in “M.D.s” in these fields. Greer was sent in to control all the eyewitnesses (scientists, military people, etc.) in this field of UFOs/Aliens etc. He “lectures to” the CIA Director, and to Congress. Do you think someone not in on the scam would even meet the “CIA Director”?
Greer’s leading of technical expert eyewitnesses is similar to how Stephen Jones was sent in to control and “lead” scientists and engineers (regarding 9/11) and steer them away from the Ultimate Nuclear Truth of 9/11, and in to the ludicrous “Thermite” nonsense. It stays hot for minutes or maybe hours after use, yet Jones claims it is the cause of the months-long China Syndrome aftermath at the WTC, of molten metal and very high temperatures.
Similarly with all the so-called exopolitics “leaders.” Pure hangout from intel assets to keep people from knowing this most crucial Ultimate Truth of who is controlling things down here through their stupid, evil human lackeys.
This hangout is meant to keep people from revolting because if they only knew their so-called govt was a bogus ruse just to control and kill them at the behest of these evil aliens who created us and view us as slaves and nothings, awaiting the final solution, the People might revolt as they are doomed if they don’t.
So they use this “exopolitics” hangout, to pretend that the aliens are “Out There” and that they are, or may be, good; and we should be “politicing” with them. We should be ascertaining who and where they are; and killing them in self-defense (are you listening all military personnel?), and their human lackeys--who for a few bucks, and because they are gutless, partake in the mass murder of humanity.
Anonymous Physicist
Anonymous Physicist---
Thanks for your comment.
Would you agree that there are different types of aliens monitoring the earth, and that some are more benevolent to human-kind than others?
2:40 AM
You might be right about everything you say. And, crazy as some people may want to make it seem, I've always been a little bit suspicious of Queen Elizabeth, pretending to merely reign over her British subjects and not poking her nose into the murky machinations of international/interglobal schemes to exploit us all by dangling exotic substances in front of us.
Don't tell me she isn't a major player and that Afghanistan doesn't have more than one use for pipe lines to pump treasures through to the weak minded who wish to escape, rather than stay and fight the good cause.
Ultimate truth or PENultimate reality?
@ A.P.
I have just finished reading Alien Agenda by Jim Marrs. Have you read it?
Simply Amazing, world-view changing book. You should check it out Spooked if you haven't already. VERY enlightening to say the least.
http://tinyurl.com/59frpn
Rob and everyone else:
I read that book by Marrs, and others of his, years ago. His books, and he, are the very epitome of the Limited Hangout! Sadly this is something I find in the conspiracy field that nearly all cannot tell, perhaps because they do not know, or believe, the Ultimate Truths in each field.
Marrs’ Alien book is typical of a Hangout: “Yes aliens/UFOs are real, yes there is a govt cover-up”. But never will you see the U.T. of the quarantine/grid/bio-net, and the desire to escape, that explains virtually everything. I have highlighted, at this very blog!, what Maury Island and Roswell were really all about.
Let’s look at the difference between me and Marrs on Maury Island.(massive UFO/shootdown) incident in 1947. Marrs: “Yes it was real (UFOs), yes a govt cover-up. And the reason they were in that vicinity, in WA state, is because they were “good aliens” [like the “exopolitics” liars] and they were nearing Hanford Plutonium processing plant. And these good aliens are environmentally conscious, and wanted to do something good for the environment.” How utterly inane and stupid! Those in control of Mankind have made it clear what they think of Man’s environment.
Just as I gave the reason for Roswell--can you repeat that here?--the same reason applies here.
After Hiroshima & Nagasaki, the OTHERS (quarantiners) above began to search for the source of the Plutonium used in the Nagasaki bomb--to try to save mankind from his evil creators trapped here, after the signal (H& N bombs) that our evil creators have (re-)started to Nuke Mankind. As a physicist, I can tell you that each nuclear blast leaves radioactive residue that acts AS A SIGNATURE pointing to which plant produced it! The OTHERS were likely on their way to Hanford to take it out (after scanning the Planet), and they were downed by the scum that created us and have been in control down here. Similar to Roswell.
I read his JFK ass'n book, Crossfire (not recommended now, points everywhere except to where the fatal shot came from!). Again “appears” to have “everything” except the simple truth that SS agent Greer fired the fatal shot, and you can be assured that Marss knows this! Bill Cooper went far and wide (for over 15 years) as did a few others about that Ultimate Truth of JFK Assn.
Of course, I went beyond this and have paid virtually the ultimate price, for showing that Greer fired twice (his 2 turns, and the audible shots at the apex of these 2 turns--from the cop’s mike that was added to the Zap film. First shot hitting Connally, then the fatal head shot to Kennedy, then Jackie tries to get a way as she heard, from a few feet away, where the last 2 shots came from). But Marrs will never say this, so he doesn’t have to worry about being poisoned or shot (Me/Cooper).
You will never read such truth from Marrs because he, like nearly all the others in the Conspiracy Fields, are in on the scam and are (“deep”) intel assets, that are able to fool most people for the reasons I cited.
Instead of going to the U.T. of each conspiracy matter, such assets as Marrs, are sent in to point away from the U.T. in each field. Marrs, of course, will never say Nukes were used on 9/11, I am sure, but haven’t read his book on this. But I know where he is coming from.
I, myself, have not pushed a book, nor received remuneration, not pushed an agenda like “the Ron Paul Revolution” [the people need to do a real Revolution, now if they are to survive at all], and have received virtually no thanks for doing what I do here even though I have stated many times that I was made very ill because of my JFK Assn work. Never a word of concern from anyone about that either here!
Anonymous Physicist
Spooked:
You're welcome.
I have basically answered that here before. But OK: The grid/quarantine that I have also called a Bio-Net (as depicted in the film, "Men in Black" [and note the very end of the film]). Only our evil creators, and we human, are blocked from leaving the near Earth space. I have even highlighted several youtubes that show the real star wars going on all the time above. What I called the OTHERS (caps) indicated the Quarantiners who are good, to some extent, and are the only reason Mankind is still alive. Other species may also be able to come and go, as the scanning will not find some forbidden DNA. If any of these others were helping the quarantined vermin, this might be found out, and eventually stopped by the Quarantiners. But I believe the problem is that the Grid/Bio-Net is “On Automatic” so as not to cause loss of life to very Advanced Beings. Even so-called :greys”--if they are real and not disinfo--may be androids or such.
Bottom line is that there may be differing species or their automatons visitng Earth all the time, for various reasons. And the worst “aliens” are the ones trapped here, and the “best” ones may be the ones who have likely kept us from total annhilation, up till now. The motives of others in between may be of various levels of goodness or evil. The various shootdowns like Maury Island and Roswell, the one in Kecksburg, PA, the one in Mexico, and the one in Brazil were either the quarantined shooting down craft of the Quarantiners--or “third partiy” visitors--that are then captured, and tortured (if they are alive), by our evil creators, and the human scum in the military and CIA, etc who do their evil deeds for them. Other (non-Quarantiners) are captured and tortured for any info that might help the quarantined to escape. Anything from very advanced technology to usurping their DNA might be utilized, as well as things I do not know about, or comprehend, as these others are far more advanced than we are.
I hope this helped, Spooked.
Anonymous Physicist
Thanks, Anonymous Physicist.
I read "Alien Agenda" last summer. It's great intro to the whole UFO/alien topic-- but ultimately fails to explain the big picture.
thanx A.P.
^h.
A.P. said:
"Marrs’ Alien book is typical of a Hangout: “Yes aliens/UFOs are real, yes there is a govt cover-up”. But never will you see the U.T. of the quarantine/grid/bio-net, and the desire to escape, that explains virtually everything.
Actually, the quarantine of Earth IS mentioned, more than once even, in Alien Agenda. The book even includes an illustration (via Remote Viewers) of the actual Alien device that enforces the quarantine!!
It's late, and I don't quite feel like picking up the book right now and quoting page numbers (I'll do that tomorrow) but unfortunately I must point out that you are mistaken A.P. (as much as that pains me, due to the respect I have for you via this blog).
Interestingly, I found much corroboration for what you have written about via 'Ultimate Truth(s)' in Alien Agenda. It's almost as if you're talking about a different book than the one I just finished reading...??
Best,
Rob
UFO landing and alien interview
Yes please post any pages that you say might have info on the grid/quarantine/bio-net, and we can see if this is the same thing.
I read the entire book years ago, so I will wait for you to find this.
Also I stand by what I said that his final understanding of the Maury Island incident is pure Limited Hangout, and ludicrous; as opposed to my deciphering of what itwas about which incorporates the quarantined vs. Quarantiners, and the real reason for heading to Hanford.
A.P.
And don't bother to go to the video that 3:28 above cites. It wasn't even funny. Just stupid.
A.P.
Well I got out my copy of “Alien Agenda.” There are no listings for “Quarantine,” “Grid”, or “Bio-Net” in the index.
Neither was there one for “Stargate.” But I skimmed the remote viewing chapter, and found this once. As I cited in this blog, it was a name by the CIA for their file on remote viewers. Marrs does not elaborate at all on the real meaning of “Stargate” after this one mention of the word as a file name. I have stated the real meaning of the term here.
Then I found the illustration you noted, just before page 277. It is pure disinfo as I stated. This page and the drawing say that a “Quarantine Enforcer” object was “seen” by several remote viewers. The page ends with this: “Some researchers speculate that military and weapons space flights are being blocked by extraterrestrials.” This one page is just 2 pages after the “Billy and the Pleadians” story which most researchers [including myself] think is pure gibberish. So this one mention of a Quarantine is only by “remote viewers,” and gives a completely false nature and purpose of the Quarantine, as detailed here by me, and by Michael Tsarion, and many ancient texts according to Tsarion.
The remote viewing chapter, for the most part, goes with the Hangout that there are aliens about, and that they are good, and friendly and watching out for us, and our “environment”. One page though has some remote viewers believing that they sense an ongoing conflict between 2 factions of ETs about the future of Mankind, and the Earth.
Now this is an over 600 page book. The only mention of the Quarantine/Grid/Bio-Net appears to be on one page with the dubious [to most people] “proof” being “sensed” by remote viewers, and not having the true purpose and nature of the Quarantine/Bio-Net revealed at all. Rather the opposite!
So unless you have more that I do not see or recall, I stand by my statement above that this is pure disinfo to hide the reality that we were created by evil monsters here who have enslaved us and mass murdered us in their attempts to escape the Quarantine of them and their DNA (which includes our DNA).
Likewise I again cite my understanding of the Maury Island incident compared to Marrs’ ludicrous environmental reason for numerous Saucer craft to be heading towards Hanford, and their shootdown! You do not comment on this difference.
I will wait to see if you have anything more, but so far it is clear that this is Limited Hangout, if you truly understand the nature of Limited Hangouts! It is to reveal--NOT hide--bits of truths, but to slant them away from their Ultimate Truth that those in charge fear would get Mankind to revolt. You have to try to understand that citing the “Quarantine” on one page, and framing that this is only something from remote viewers, and hiding the actual nature and purpose of the Quarantine is pure intel asset Hangout Modus Operandi.
If I were to write a 600 page book on the “Alien Agenda” it would have over 300 pages on the Quarantine and related matters! Maybe all 600 pages would be on it. This is the real Alien Agenda, and EVERYTHING in man’s history relates to it—--ncluding the horrors happening now. And the last few pages of Marrs’ book are real intel nonsense about “God”, “love” and such. An honest researcher would end a book on the alien agenda like Tsarion ended his main part of his book. On his 4 possible outcomes [I see more] of the imminent end-stage of the 50,000 year old conflict between the quarantined and the Quarantiners, as the former try to make one last breakout attempt with the fate of all Mankind hanging in the balance.
Coupled with Marrs looking at everyone except the SS driver, Greer, who killed President Kennedy, in another of his books--and I am sure Marrs knows this!--as I cited numerous eyewitnesses here several times--it is quite clear that Marrs is a pure disinfo, hangout purveyor! If one understands Limited Hangouts. But I wait to see your final findings from the book tmow.
Anonymous Physicist
From what I recall, the book does also mentioned how earth rockets were intercepted by "others". But overall, it mostly discusses the quarantine issue in terms of remote viewing.
Apart from the incomplete discussions of the quarantine, and the excursions into god/religion, another problem with the book is that it inexplicably supports the official govt/NASA Apollo moon landing story.
Nonetheless, I found the book to be a good intro into the UFO/ET field for someone (like me) not very familiar with the topic.
Speaking of totally utter nonsense:
If Jackie Kennedy thought that the limo driver (SSA William Greer) had a pistol in his hand (photo evidence shows he did NOT), the last thing she would have done is make herself an easy target by climbing onto the trunk of the car.
The notion that Greer shot Kennedy has been thoroughly investigated and proven to be without any merit whatsoever. Only a few crackpots and the easily-fooled people who actively seek out bizarre explanations for things they are too lazy to research for themselves, believe such stupidity.
Attention Please: paging Mr. Larouche.
""they are too lazy to research for themselves, believe such stupidity.""
I would imagine Jackie Kennedy's basic response was just to get the fuck out of the car. Which would not be her response if the shots were coming from outside-- rather she would want to duck down and take cover.
Lots of people ridicule no planes on 9/11 too, evidence be damned. There is plenty of evidence for the limo driver theory, if one bothers to look.
I don't know what LaRouche has to do with any of this. Please explain.
That's just Gestapo Colonel "Early Wynn".
Assigned here to lie about all the political assassinations.
He posts his obvious and stupid lies every time truth about the regime's murdering of President Kennedy, Martin Luther King, and anyone else significant is placed herein.
He speaks fondly and personally of "Bill" Greer, and he didn’t reply when directly asked where he was posted on 11/22/63. So likely he was there taking part, and so has to cover it up forever more.
He is the one who said he was blocked from posting here, all the while he WAS posting all his stupid lies.
And here once again from this website:
http://community-2.webtv.net/@HH!7D!0A!3D7855A05297/Larry762/fontcolor3300FF/page4.html
are the eyewitnesses who saw the driver, SS agent William Greer, kill President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, the last President of the United States.
From the above site:
“Mr. Newcomb felt his book made the case for the limousine driver shooting JFK so well that he sent copies of the book to the 1975 Congress and Senate because he felt he would be guilty of "obstruction of justtice" if he did not do so.
These are the witnesses whose statement to Mr. Newcomb and sometimes the Warren commission included the words "in the car."
1. Mary Moorman - school teacher standing next to Jean Hill. She said she saw Greer shooting back but thought he was shooting back at the assassin. SOURCE: Warren Commission and taped interview by Fred Newcomb.
2. Jean Hill - Jean Hill saw what happened too, but when she tried to bring up the subject of a gun being fired in the car, Senator Arlen Spector (a 33rd degree Mason) would change the subject or say "it's time for a cup of coffee.”
3. Austin P. Miller - Texas Louisiana Freight Bureau, who stood on the railway overpass overlooking Elm Street was asked by Arlen Spector where the shots came from: His reply was "from right there in the car." Senator Spector just went on to the next question, never asking Miller any specifics. From: Warren Report, New York Times edition, p. 82.
4. Clinton J. Hill. Jacqueline Kennedy's bodyguard reports in Vol. II, pp 138-139 of the Warren Commission Volumes: "I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, and ran to the presidential limousine. Just as I reached it, there was another sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object...it seemed to have some type of echo."
5. Hugh Betzner - Had picture published in Life magazine and was standing right next to the drivers side of the motorcade: He saw a gun in the hand of one of the secret service agents and heard a sound "like firecrackers going off in the car."Link to Betzner’s official statement: http://www.jfk-online.com/betzner.html Source: taped interview with Fred Newcomb.”
Pure CIA filth, that one—“Early Wynn” posting his foul lies here whenever the truth of the assassinations of our leaders who gave the mass murdering regime trouble with their plans.
Anonymous Physicist
There are plenty of crackpots who claim that Jackie fired the shots. Other crackpots claim that JFK was shot from a sewer opening. Still others claim that a SSA in the Queen Mary (back-up car) shot JFK. The most recent absurd claim that I've run across says that one of LBJ's bodyguards killed JFK.
That the "A.P." person is ignorant of the thoroughly discredited claim
s/he makes about the JFK assassination only serves to undermine her/his credibility about
other equally "far out" fairy tales
that s/he pedals in long, boring
posts here.
Eyewitnesses claim to have seen planes crashing into the WTC and the Pentagon, but most of us now know those claims aren't any more credible than those about the JFK assassination cited by "A.P." and endorsed by the SPOOKED leader.
Calling posters liars if they disagree with, "A.P." only serves to point out the weaknesses of her/his claims and her/his own self-doubts about them.
That SPOOKED permits her/him to do so and get away with it seems more like a touch of misplaced compassion or empathy than anything else.
Physicist, Larouche accolyte, or Disinformation Agent?
In deciding which, ask yourself if you've ever heard of or read about a real physicist who acts like the self-described "Anonymous Physicist".
A real physicist adheres to the Scientific Method, not the "I seen
a Secret Service Agent shoot the President in front of 100s of people in broad daylight on Elm Street and if you don't believe me then YOU'RE a liar".
Here is just one post from the JFK Lancer forum on the subject of the claim that SSA William Greer shot JFK and a link to one of the many pages where this subject is discussed. The first QUOTE is by
a poster who is adamant that Greer shot JFK. It is followed by a quote from one of many researchers.
QUOTE - "Although there was apparently a great deal of lead flying in Dealy Plaza at the moment, perhaps they simply needed a "Plan B" . . . For purposes of discovery, let's first assume that everyone is CIA, then let us determine a sub-category of those who pulled the triggers, and a third who stood to gain the most."
Greer obviously stood to gain the most. He could now be a chauffer for LBJ instead of chauffeuring JFK around. That must be why, when the lead was flying around Dealey Plaza without striking JFK in the head, Greer whipped out a rod and implemented plan B. The idea that JFK was actually struck in the head by a rifle shot obviously doesn't make sense.
You've solved the murder of the President of the United States. It's been there all along on the Z-film and it took you to show it to us. But I do have questions.
Have you notified the FBI?
Have you notified Members of Congress?
Have you notified the news media?
Why haven't any major book publishers grabbed onto your "sure fire" best seller?
Do you have well-researched documentation that supports the idea that Greer did it?
Do you seriously believe that the research community and the American public will buy this garbage?
http://tinyurl.com/4x3wbm
Here's another quote from a researcher posting on the Education Forum JFK Assassination Debate page, followed by a link to it.
"It seems that if common sense was being applied to this topic, then it would not have been started in the first place. And if one doesn't agree, then at least not mention Brehm as a source for knowing where the shots came from because Charles was clapping right through to Altgens #6 photo and beyond. One might check the Nix, Bronson, Muchmore, and Zapruder films to see where Greer's left hand was at the time of the fatal head shot to JFK. But I have heard wilder accusations. Someone once said that Jackie probably feared it was an inside job so she just kept quiet about Greer killing husband. Can you imagine that! One would think that Jackie would have gone ape had she seen such a deed carried out by Greer or anyone inside the limo."
Bill Miller
http://tinyurl.com/4gcqrj
Anonymous dude complaining about Greer shooting JFK--
here once again from this website:
http://community-2.webtv.net/@HH!7D!0A!3D7855A05297/Larry762/fontcolor3300FF/page4.html
are the eyewitnesses who saw the driver, SS agent William Greer, kill President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, the last President of the United States.
From the above site:
“Mr. Newcomb felt his book made the case for the limousine driver shooting JFK so well that he sent copies of the book to the 1975 Congress and Senate because he felt he would be guilty of "obstruction of justtice" if he did not do so.
These are the witnesses whose statement to Mr. Newcomb and sometimes the Warren commission included the words "in the car."
1. Mary Moorman - school teacher standing next to Jean Hill. She said she saw Greer shooting back but thought he was shooting back at the assassin. SOURCE: Warren Commission and taped interview by Fred Newcomb.
2. Jean Hill - Jean Hill saw what happened too, but when she tried to bring up the subject of a gun being fired in the car, Senator Arlen Spector (a 33rd degree Mason) would change the subject or say "it's time for a cup of coffee.”
3. Austin P. Miller - Texas Louisiana Freight Bureau, who stood on the railway overpass overlooking Elm Street was asked by Arlen Spector where the shots came from: His reply was "from right there in the car." Senator Spector just went on to the next question, never asking Miller any specifics. From: Warren Report, New York Times edition, p. 82.
4. Clinton J. Hill. Jacqueline Kennedy's bodyguard reports in Vol. II, pp 138-139 of the Warren Commission Volumes: "I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, and ran to the presidential limousine. Just as I reached it, there was another sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object...it seemed to have some type of echo."
5. Hugh Betzner - Had picture published in Life magazine and was standing right next to the drivers side of the motorcade: He saw a gun in the hand of one of the secret service agents and heard a sound "like firecrackers going off in the car."Link to Betzner’s official statement: http://www.jfk-online.com/betzner.html Source: taped interview with Fred Newcomb.”
Deal with it.
Also deal with the fact that Bill Cooper was told by Navy Intelligence that the limo driver shot JFK, the limo driver turning at the key moment and the apparently altered Z video that still gives hints of a gun aimed to the back of the car, not to mention the physical evidence that indicates a shot from the front.
Simply appealing to common sense is not going to cut it.
And any more comments with crap about LaRouche or with character assaults are going to get deleted.
Well, well. Wouldn't it only be fair to delete the character assaults by your friend, "A.P."? Why do you continue to give that one a pass on ad hominem attacks? Seems out of character for you.
Regarding the JFK assassination: name a theory and you can find "evidence" for it. I don't know of anyone (and I know at least as much about the JFK case as anyone here knows about aliens, moon bases etc.) who has bothered to TEST the claims about Greer and still believes that theory is even worthy of further discussion. And, I'm talking about serious researchers who have studied the case for many years.
Eyewitness accounts are notoriously
unreliable. Plenty of people claim to have seen planes crashing into the WTC...and some of the proponents of that theory can even provide what they call proof that planes crashed into the WTC and at the Pentagon. Go to Democratic Underground and you can find plenty of people who post said evidence.
Ditto the Pentagon events.
In spite of all of the claims, there are some people who stubbornly insist that when you test those theories, they just aren't sustainable in light of other evidence.
You can also find proof in a Popular Mechanics issue as well.
Despite all the contradictory evidence, I guess there will always be those folks who can't bring themselves to study all of the available evidence.
There's also the theory that Disinformation Agents have an interest in promoting bullshift like the OCT (for certain events).
SPOOKED - have you had a chance to visit either of the JFK forums I provided a link to?
there is a world of difference between the eyewitness claims to the JFK hit and the eyewitness claims to the WTC hit.
the JFK witnesses said what they saw and were subsequently officially brushed aside and the only video of the event had been obviously manipulated.
the WTC witnesses all gave conflicting reports and the many media videos have all been thoroughly picked apart and discredited thus discrediting the 'witnesses' who's statements supported the official claims.
JFK witnesses also gave widely conflicting reports but all of the known films taken that day are consistent in what they show and there are some which have been analyzed by experts who have concluded that some photos actually show things like gunsmoke and even images of shooters...ALL in the grassy knoll area.
There are JFK witnesses (including
law enforcement officials and even U.S. Senator Yarborough) who said they saw and smelled gunpowder - in the grassy knoll area.
The Greer-shot-JFK notion has been seriously and thoroughly examined and found to be without merit. Experts in different fields examined the allegation from the perspective of their individual expertise. Experts in other fields may express an opinion about various aspects of the case, but respected experts don't try to be experts in areas they are obviously unqualified in.
You have cited a grand total of five people that you claim are eyewitnesses to the theory that Greer shot JFK.
That's not very convincing. There were 100s of people in Dealey Plaza that day, four people (besides JFK) in the limo, four Dallas Police officers within a few feet of the limo, five or more people filming the parade, and a large number of professional and amateur photographers. The extant film and photographs show NO such thing as what you claim and in fact to the extent that they provide helpful evidence as to the source of the shots fired, the images of what is believed to be gun smoke come from the grassy knoll area, not the inside of the limo.
Physical evidence always trumps eyewitness accounts.
Common sense and objective research
require that one starts with the evidence found, not with a theory that most serious researchers would consider extremely unlikely.
You must not be very familiar with
very much of the evidence in the JFK assassination. The only people who ARE familiar with very much of the evidence and who still cling to
bizarre theories like someone shooting from the street sewer or Jackie shooting JFK, or LBJ's bodyguard shooting JFK, or that a SSA in the follow-up car shot JFK with an AR-15, or that the limo driver shot JFK...are people with an agenda - to sell books (like Posner, Holland, Myers, Bugliosi et al.) or else to lend support to the WCommission conclusions.
The CIA has promoted disinformation about the JFK case since the 60's and continues to do so even today.
THAT is to be expected.
What's shocking is to find discredited theories being promoted by people who should know better - that only serve to undermine the efforts of the most knowledgeable, highly principled researchers of the past 45 years.
Especially so, when said theories are promoted on a progressive web blog, by people who claim to have advanced degrees in fields where the Scientific Method is held sacred.
Mindless CIA-droid:
Those were the people RIGHT BY the limo WHEN the fatal head shot wsa fired.
They are the only ones that count.
Save all your stupid, stupid lies for your CIA-run "forums."
SPOOKED:
The above post (2:12 PM) is offensive
and shows a blatant disregard for
the rights of other posters here.
If anyone else called another
poster
a "Mindless CIA-droid" and said
"Save all your stupid, stupid lies
for your CIA-run "forums.", would
you permit that on your site?
Such personal insults should have
no place here, regardless of who
the poster might be. If the poster
was anyone other than "we know
who", you would not defend them,
but instead you would issue a
warning to them...or even delete
the post.
Why does the 2:12 PM
poster not deserve the same fate?
Allowing that person to continue
to engage in the worst kind of
personal attacks doesn't exactly
serve to show that your site is a
haven for intelligent, reasoned
discourse, does it?
BTW - most regular readers here
know just as well as you do, who
that person is.
You certainly are behaving quite Dictatorial (& Didactically) these days, aren't you "A.P."?
I simply posted a three line comment of a book I liked and that rings True with me, and you arrive on your High Horse ready to chop my head off.
Funny (and quite telling, no?) how whatever doesn't mesh with the Gospel according to A.P. instantly gets painted with the broad brush of catch-all smears like "Disinfo" and "Limited Hangout". Does that fit the behavior of someone who cherishes Free and Open discussions? Of course not...sounds more like someone who follows fascist behavior patterns (i.e.: suppression of access to varied sources of information).
If something (or someone) doesn't fall lock step into your version of events, it's suddenly a "Limited Hangout", with scant (or no) evidence as to why. You simply decree it so, and we all are supposed to let that suffice. Puh-leeze!
What is your True agenda?
What are your ulterior motives?
I suspect that it's FAR from "Enlightening the Masses."
I submit you're simply just another Instrument of Control...
Fascinating, Rob:
Everything I wrote said repeatedly that Marrs--not you--was putting out Limited Hangouts.
And I tried to explain just what this is. So now since you mistakenly believe I was "speaking" about you, you just flash some insults. Fine.
And YOU were supposed to add the pages where your recent reading of the whole book indicated that Marrs wrote of the Quarantine at length, and not in a clever put-down way.
If the only mention in the book, is by "sensing" from so-called remote viewers, and gives a completely false explanation of what the Quarantine is, then as I explained above, this is pure Hangout M.O.
Furthermore, Marrs book makes clear that most, or all, of these "remote viewers" were being "tested" by the CIA whose file on this "research" was called "Stargate." Can anything coming out of the CIA be trusted? Of course not. Therefore there is really nothing of value on the Quarantine in Marrs book--rather the opposite. Unless you have more, and as I wrote I am still waiting.
I foolishly thought you would give (as you promised) an honest search for all the references that you claimed were in the book, that weren't clever put downs--if you grasp Limited Hangout--of the Quarantine concept, and its true meaning.
But you did not do this, I am sad to see. Instead you merely post insults to me. You misinterpret who I said was putting out hangouts. So you are either reacting childishly--because you erroneously believe this was putting you down (or else cannot stand an iota of correction); or else your tirade places you in a suspicious light.
I write here for the honest researchers and thinkers, especially for those who disseminate this work, under my byline.
It has been clear to me from seeing how many are hoodwinked by 911, or general conspiracy, sites and forums, that many cannot, or won’t, see how these are infiltrated by those pushing hangouts that detour away from the truth, despite them “mentioning” some version of it.
I think my “comments” above show I was trying to show you where your thinking--in light of Limited Hangouts--was off a bit. And I think I did that in a decent and fair way. But your mind obviously takes this as a criticism and severely over-reacts to this--or else you are not genuine--and you just posted insults to me. I accept this (from people who over-react to what they mistakenly believe is a criticism, instead of being thankful for being given an explanation that may not be an easy concept to correctly grasp), and certainly I will have nothing to do with you anymore; unless you honestly come to some enlightenment, and can see this and take back those insults.
Unlike what you said about me (which I attribute again to a severe over-reaction to perceived criticism--which needs some work), I like to think you are honest in these matters, and not an intel asset, like several regulars here. Unless you are really good, and have me fooled--in which case I’d congratulate you to some extent. That would impress me, because they have all been so obvious here, and your past postings seemed genuine, and they just don’t seem to have anyone good doing this. So I’ll just think of you as someone who needs a little help along the lines I suggested--unless you again over-react to not being perfect, or some such hang-up.
But as noted above, my final word to you is this: “I will have nothing to do with you anymore; unless you honestly come to some enlightenment, and can see this and take back those insults.” (I don’t need an apology per se, just acknowledgement--if you get there--of being mistaken about what I was trying to do which was to help you see through the clever, insidious fog of Limited Hangouts.) But if all you can perceive is that you believe I want everyone to be carbon copies of me, instead of seeing that the work of Marrs itself, shows itself to be hangout; then you, of course, cannot go beyond this limitation, and I will accept your misinterpretation of me and my work here. And go on to others who are not so limited in their interpretation of me and my efforts here.
Limitations, though, do not have to be permanent, but life is short.
Anonymous Physicist
It's becoming very clear that a.p. is not what we're supposed to think s/he is.
The only people on the Net who act like a.p. does are right-wingers and
intelligence services agents plus some garden-variety amateur nut cases.
What's ominous is how a.p. is treated on this site as some kind of demi god who is permitted (USED?) for some unknown ulterior purposes.
Does Spooked still run this place?
Methinks the wheels and veneer are starting to come off.
And it's no wonder that the "wonderperson" doesn't attach a name to their posts. Do you know of any reputable physicist that WOULD attach their name to the kind of stuff found here? Me neither.
"Exopolitics"? Sure, sounds very
reasonable and plausible. Now, put that pipe down.
This place is becoming more and more
like Disneyland. "Hey Walt, I found
Goofy. He read a sci-fi comic book and now thinks he's a physicist."
Ah, "Early Wynn" posting at 6:51, 8:35, and 10:18.
So happy is the long time Homeland (Gestapo) agent, as he believes all the stupid lies and hangouts he and his beloved, evil masters have put out, may have snookered someone here.
But I really don't think so, "Early."
And, "Early"--since you were stationed here longer than I have written here, why don't you provide your real name, rank etc, and deep undercover employer--oh excuse me "independent contract provider"?
Made the big bucks all your life, did you? Got kids and grandkids?
Kiss 'em good-bye. You doomed them to Hell. Congrats.
Anonymous Physicist
Mindless CIA-droid.
Spooky says he's not gonna let you hide behind his once-good-name forever.
Oh, and yes, it wasn't the driver who shot JFK, it was BOTH of the motorcycle cops who were so close to the limo when they fired shots that no one saw them do it, except Jackie, and Clint Hill tried his best to push her back into the limo so the cops could finish her off.
Spooked dude,
Here is what the two closest witnesses to JFK's limo said in an interview three hours after the assasination.
David Lifton came across a long forgotten
information of the mother lode variety.
He was transcribing by hand, listening with earphones to audio tapes made
on the afternoon of 11-22-63, from KRLD Radio tape reels.
The reel was an interview by Jay Hogan of Mary Moorman and Jean Hill at
3:30 pm...on KRLD RADIO excerpts, Tape 5B and 6A at NARA.
I am excerpting from the lengthy transcript several relevant parts of the
interviews. Decide for yourself the importance of this first day evidence:
TO SUMMARIZE:
MOORMAN
1. HOW CLOSE TO CAR: 10 or fifteen foot, I, no more
2. WHERE WERE YOU: We stepped out in the street
3. HOW MANY SHOTS: three or four ... there might have been more.
4. WHAT DID MRS. KENNEDY DO: Mrs. Kennedy jumped up immediately, and fell over him;
and she said: "My God, he's been shot."
5. WHAT DID THE LIMO DO: they hesitated just for a moment...and they immediately sped up
6. WHAT DID THE MOTORCYCLES DO: they stopped
7. WHERE DID THE SHOTS COME FROM: Oh, Lord? North.
8. WHAT DID YOUR PHOTO SHOW MRS. K DOING: he's bent over, and she's... and she
hadn't even gotten up in my picture, and she DID get up, STOOD UP, in the car.
HILL:
1. HOW CLOSE TO CAR: about 10 or fifteen feet...not anymore than that at all.
2. WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT DO: he pitched forward onto Jackie's lap.
3. WHAT DID MRS. K DO: she fell across him and says "My God, he's been shot."
4. WERE THERE OTHER PEOPLE AROUND YOU: There was NO one around us on our side of the street
5. WHAT DID THE LIMO DO:The motorcade was stunned after the first two shots, and it came
to a momentary halt. After they were momentarily stopped--after the first two shots--THEN
they sped away REAL quickly.
6. WHERE DID THE SHOTS COME FROM: there's a hill on the other side...and the shots came
from there.
THIS IS FIRST DAY TESTIMONY FROM THE TWO CLOSEST WITNESSES.
P.S. Spooked dude -
Why do you allow A.P. to post things like this on your blog?
QUOTE: That's just Gestapo Colonel "Early Wynn".
Assigned here to lie about all the political assassinations.
He posts his obvious and stupid lies every time truth about the regime's murdering of President Kennedy, Martin Luther King, and anyone else significant is placed herein. QUOTE OFF
Aren't you concerned about your reputation and that of your blog? Or, do you feel it's perfectly fair to allow A.P. to post any kind of personal insult and
dishonesty s/he pleases as long as it's aimed at someone other than you?
Everyone please chill. I have neither the time nor interest to sort through all this critically, especially since so many people post without a name.
What I will say is I support AP in what he says-- not in every detail-- but definitely I give him the benefit of the doubt on most issues. He is incredibly knowledgeable and well read and overall I think he has developed some of the most comprehensive, novel, interesting and important ideas I've seen in the conspiracy field. He also has a personal history that deserves respect. Lastly, his writings deserve respectful, intelligent and decent discussion, and not random name-calling.
You DO seem to have the time to sort through comments that you or the too silly A.P. deem to be critical of what that MINDLESS CIA-droid says about whatever silliness comes to her mind...most likely after smoking a fatty.
A.P.'s writings prove that he's NOT very knowledgeable about many of the subjects he posts here.
Truth is, Mr. Spooky One, the posts here from A.P. are some of the LEAST intelligently thought-out writings you can find...outside of
a rehab clinic.
If ANY 1 here deserves to be called out for being a cracked head, it's A.P., and your worshipful respect doesn't do anything for your own reputation as something of a spun-out, aging hippie, who may well have an as yet undiscovered agenda that would probably shock most of people who bump into this place.
right you r, Mr. spooky tooth. but
your friend isn't the only one here whose posts deserve respect and who shouldn't have to worry that while THEY can't criticize your friend, neither should your friend be allowed to show disrespect for the views of others here, and others here do not deserve to be called Nazis, CIA-droids, liars, or any of the things that more properly are descriptive of your friend.
What a joke from "Early Wynn." So clearly assigned to this blog as a gatekeeper, for the lies put out by the regime on the assassinations of our leaders, by the regime.
Always remember this creature said "Spooked you are blocking me", all the while, he was posting his drivel. So it is clear every word he has written here has been a proveable lie.
Moorman’s and Hill's statements to Newcombe are on record (see above, my postings). Jean Hill has said that IMMEDIATELY after the shooting, Secret Service and FBI agents swooped down on her, and "put a hurt on her," and told her what to say and not say if she wanted to go on living. There is no book or URL quoted by "Early" above. (We have Early’s quoting of Lifton’s alleged quoting of …) Every SURVIVING eyewitness to the Kennedy Assassination has said that if they had seen Ruby as part of the plot, or seen the driver do it, that their testimony was altered in the published W.C. Of course, many were murdered soon after.
Sherman Skolnick and others have outed David Lifton. Just as Marrs and Fetzer, and so many others, these people are gatekeepers to hide what everyone knew that day--that the regime, via its Secret Service agent, William Greer, killed President Kennedy. This is, of course why Newcombe could not get anyone to publish his book as described here.
http://community-2.webtv.net/@HH!7D!0A!3D7855A05297/Larry762/fontcolor3300FF/page4.html
This is also why all the secret service and FBI agents swooped down and confiscated most of the still and film cameras immediately after the assassination. (See here: http://members.tripod.com/bigunreal/photosjfk.html) Eyewitnesses have said the same thing was done on 9/11. And--JUST AS WITH THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION--the regime processed the film or video before releasing it. In the case of 9/11, the technology allowed this to be rapid. So Evan Fairbanks could get his video from the FBI within hours--and in his own words--he got back “bad, special effects.”
The Nix film was held by the FBI for 3 days, and when returned to him, the film was forevermore, in terrible condition. They had to do this, as the Nix film was taken from the other side of the street and had a less obstructed view to Greer shooting first Connally (by accident, which is why he then brought the limo to a halt), then Kennedy. And read the book by Noah Twyman--“Bloody Treason”--showing that there are two completely different speeds of the limo on the Zapruder film, and on the Nix film--poor altering of both by the primitive methods then available, or else whistleblowers letting the world know…. And then read the Twyman book for how many eyewitnesses saw the limo brought to a complete stop by Greer!! And, of course, for the ultimate truth, read the #1 bestseller in the conspiracy field, Bill Cooper’s “Behold A Pale Horse”. See all the videos of him on youtube. Japanese national prime time television ran the Zapruder film and highlighted Greer’s gun being brought up (left hand of Greer), and its use. This was on youtube. I cannot find the Japanes TV video now (removed?), if anyone else can, please post the URL here.
Twyman and others have proven that the Z film is a dupe (copy) of an earlier version of it run against a moving background, and with numerous frames missing. Books by Fetzer, yes that Fetzer, have proven that numerous frames have “objects” painted in them--including the back of Kenendy’s head after it was blown out. (This was easy for them to do, at that time--likewise with any alleged “hands” of Greer.)
I have already posted here testimony from the New Orleans D.A. Garrison trial of Clay Shaw (later documented to be a contract agent of the CIA by Victor Marchetti), that Zapruder testified under oath, that he could not and would not say that that the version of the film shown in that court was the one he took. (And BTW, the ass’n books by Marrs, Fetzer, Lifton, etc. are masterpieces of Limited Hangout--showing conspiracy, govt involvement but only nameless, rogue elements, and not the SS driver, not the “whole” govt. The same game, of course, played here by the intel troll.)
Twyman revealed that within hours of the assassination of President Kennedy, Secret Service (SS) agents brought an unedited copy of the Zap film to none other than oil billionaire H.L. Hunt--and this is after Hunt had distributed “JFK: Wanted For Treason” handbills throughout Dallas that day. (Makes you wonder who the PTB really had as President, doesn’t it.) Hunt’s office building overlooked the assassination site--and he was there watching. Who else had an office there--Abraham Zapruder.
It is also fascinating that within days of the assassination and the nabbing of the patsy, himself a CIA/ONI agent, Lee Harvey Oswald, his wife, Marina Oswald is brought into the office of H.L. Hunt!
And the final kicker. Just to let you know how these foul trolls know they are lying with every word. I had a friend who was the long-time girlfriend of a CIA agent. She told me how he had told her the following, (but she wouldn’t tell me his rank, or position.) While at the CIA, he was shown and given an unedited version of the Zapruder film, which clearly showed the driver, Greer firing the fatal head shot. Years later, after he left the CIA, he began speaking about his copy of the film, on the phone, and shortly came home to a ransacked home without that copy in it any more.
Yes, that the SS agent, William Greer fired the fatal head shot, killing Prsident Kennedy is known and shown to many in the government. It probably functions, in part, as a warning. “Step out of line, and you’ll get the same. Your own “protector” will do it.”
And, of course, it should not be a surprise that the “Protection Service” killed the President, given that the driver brought the limo to a standstill--now you know why he had to do that--he first erroneously shot Connolly. That the Secret Service’ job that day was to ensure that the President was assassinated is also clearly evidenced by this video, I already posted here, which shows the SS agent in charge, order off the SS agent who was supposed to ride on the back of Kennedy’s limo. He was left at the airport. All this in known “enemy territory.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8&feature=related
And the relevance to 9/11? I pointed this out here, from my first postings. Again, this is the concept of Limited Hangout. The entire JFK assassination “industry” (books, articles, authors, museums, websites, “forums”) was created by the regime, to hide the fact that their agent, SS man, William Greer fired the fatal head shot. Thus proving that the govt only functions to control and kill its citizens. Something that might cause them to evolt, if enough of them found out.
In the case of 9/11, the regime put out CGI videos, bogus researchers, bogus authors, fake DEW, fake thermite, fake “Pristine Pancaking”, fake forums, fake truthers--who “don’t care what brought down the towers”--all to hide the Ultimate Truth of 9/11. The towers, and its remaining 3000 human inhabitants, were demolished with nuclear bombs--half of them vaporized and left no DNA.
And the China Syndrome resulted, killing many more, with many more still to die. And used as a ruse for Perennial War, and now blatant fascism at home.
Anonymous Physicist
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