Multiple Pre-9/11 Attack Warnings
From Paul Thompson:
I'm not at all surprised US intelligence had these warnings. But what surprises me is how many people STILL deny that there was no government complicity in the 9/11 attacks.
Sometimes the stuff I find amazes even me. For instance, this entry which I just wrote up today and haven't put on line yet:
Early September 2001
Phone Call Warning of Big Event in the US in Coming Days Is Just One of Many Such Warnings Recorded by CIA
A few days before 9/11, an Islamic radical named Mamdouh Habib is in Pakistan and calls his wife in Australia. Her phone is being monitored by Australian intelligence. In the conversation he says that something big is going to happen in the US in the next few days. He is later arrested after 9/11 and is held by the US in the Guantanamo prison before finally being released in 2005. He is released because his captors eventually decide that he didn't have any special foreknowledge or involvement in the 9/11 plot. He had been in Afghanistan training camps and had picked up the information there. The New York Times paraphrases an Australian official, "Just about everyone in Kandahar (Afghanistan) and the Qaeda camps knew that something big was coming, he said. 'There was a buzz.'" (York Times, 1/29/05) Furthermore, according to The Australian, this call "mirrored several other conversations between accused terrorists that were tapped around the same time by the Pakistani Internal Security Department on behalf of the CIA." This was part of what the CIA called a sharp increase in "chatter" intercepted from operatives in terror training camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan in the days just before the attacks, alluding to an imminent big event. (Australian, 2/2/05)
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How could US intelligence possibly not know there was going to be an attack in the US within a matter of days after warnings like that? It seems knowledge of the attack was practically as common as dirt in parts of Afghanistan. US intelligence was listening very closely at the time. I've got a comment elsewhere from a National Security Council staffer pointing out that every phone line in Afghanistan was being tapped, every hotel in Pakistan was being bugged. In examples of just a few other entries I already have up:
- They overheard bin Laden tell his mother in law on the phone on September 9 that something big would be happening in two days.
- They knew from satellite surveillance that the Afghan training camps were moving in the days before the attacks.
- They overheard a message telling al-Qaeda operatives to return to Afghanistan by Sept. 10.
- They overheard a phone call from bin Laden shortly before September 11 contacting an associate in Pakistan, referring to an incident that would take place in the US on, or around 9/11, and then discussing possible repercussions.
The list just goes on and on. Yet nothing was done. Absolutely no warnings were given to airports, airlines, NORAD, the military, or any other first response defenders at all. Security was not stepped up at any likely targets. Top leaders were not warned. The only clear warning that we're absolutely sure of was given to Salman Rushdie, of all people, who wasn't allowed to fly in the US that week because the FAA told his publisher they had "intelligence of something about to happen." The FAA confirmed to the press that Rushdie was in fact warned.
I'd really like to see the usual incompetence theory defenders here defend all this as just more incompetence.
The 9/11 Timeline: http://www.complete911timeline.org
9 Comments:
Quite an interesting site. I must say that you have reminded me of quite a few inconsistancies surrounding the events of the day. There are many 'holes' in the commissions report, and there are a few rough spots in your theories. However, given time, I am sure that yours will be ironed out.
There are a few things that happened on that day that were reported on the local news, but I never heard of them again after that day. The biggest one was the interception of a truck filled with explosives, going over a bridge. Ever hear about it?
well, i do know that here in NYC, israeli's that were observed setting up video cameras in liberty park trained on tower one BEFORE the attacks occured. and i know they were pulled over in a van that tested POSITIVE for explosives. I happen to know that...and A LOT MORE examples of foreknowledge, that occured here in NYC. the stories of foreknowledge FROM CHILDREN here in NYC will send chills up your spine.
if fucking KIDS knew this was coming...
Thanks Jesuspower.
Now that you mention it, I sort of remember a story from the day of 9/11 about a truck with explosives being intercepted. It could have been a rumor-- lots of things were flying around that morning, or it could have been true and covered up. Hard to know.
About people in NY having forewarning. It is surprising how the towers weren't nearly as full as they should have been that morning. And I have heard at least three people say they overslept that morning and weren't in the towers when the attacks started. Was this just a cover story for having some forewarning? Certainly the Israeli company Odigo had foreknowledge and warned their employees of the attacks. And apparently Pakistani immigrant kids knew about the attacks. So lots of people in NY knew ahead of time it seems, but how has this been covered up for so long? Why hasn't anyone figured out where the warnings came from if the warnings were so abundant? Like much about 9/11, it doesn't really add up very well.
And the dancing Israelis have always been a fascinating story which has been suppressed because implying the Israelis had foreknowledge of 9/11 or anything to do with 9/11 leads to immediate charges of anti-semitism. But the Israelis knew what was coming, and so did many other countries' intelligence agencies I bet.
So Rob, please tell us what forewarning stories you have heard in NYC.
I know I'm reaching but maybe these two things go hand in hand?
-->"About people in NY having forewarning. It is surprising how the towers weren't nearly as full as they should have been that morning. And I have heard at least three people say they overslept that morning and weren't in the towers when the attacks started. Was this just a cover story for having some forewarning?--"
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--->WASHINGTON - New York has yet to spend $125 million for workers injured in the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and their aftermath. Tired of waiting, the federal government wants the money back.
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Scott Milburn, spokesman for the White House Office of Management and Budget, said New York has used only $49 million of the $175 million and spent just $6 million in last budget year
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"The needs were not as large as initially feared," Milburn said.
By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer
Wed Jun 1, 5:52 PM
Why does that make me uneasy?
Anonymous-- really good point. I saw that story but didn't think of the connection. Odd. There is actually a similar story how the 9/11 victims compensation fund has only been claimed for a small percentage of poeple who died in the attacks. Also stories about not that many people on the 9/11 planes were reported in the social security death index.
Excuse this gruesom speculations -
If i remember the numbers correctly - only about 49% of the victims were poss. ID'ed, right?
If most of the victims were trapped above the impact area, wouldn't they sort of fall with the building and not be so badly...you see what I'm trying to get at?
Was the top part of the rubble on fire for a long period of time? It seems to me that right after the smoked cleared, they had resuce workers on top of the pile.
I guess I should just come out and say what I suspect...I think the # of dead could be inflated by +600 or so. (The # needed to be greater than Pearl Harbor)
What do they consider positive ID...like for the firemen? finding their personal gear or DNA?
Because if you add 330 emergency responders and 200 jumpers together (expected not to be ID'ed,) that leaves roughly around 600 that should have been.
last note...from a quick google search...some weird reporting from less than 48 hours after the attack:
http://news.com.com/2100-1023-272950.html?legacy=cnet
"Add the 4,763 missing reported by Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, plus the 266 passengers and crew members who died aboard the planes that hit the Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field southeast of Pittsburgh, and the total dead in Tuesday's carnage could be more than 5,000.
That would be higher than the death toll from Pearl Harbor and the Titanic combined. A total of 2,390 Americans died at Pearl Harbor nearly 60 years ago, and the sinking of the Titanic claimed 1,500 lives.
Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz told reporters at the Pentagon that the U.S. response to the attacks that wrought these horrors would "unfold over time."
"One thing that is clear is you don't do it with just a single military strike, no matter how dramatic," Wolfowitz said.
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