Destroying the 9/11 Truth Movement
I have been privy to an exchange of e-mails between 9/11 researchers Nico Haupt and Gerard Holmgren and the director of 9/11 truth.org David Kubiak.
To make a long story short, Nico Haupt believes 9/11truth.org is a front group for a type of COINTELPRO operation designed to limit how successful 9/11 activists are in getting the truth about 9/11 to the public.
The first set of e-mails was an exchange between Nico Haupt and David Kubiak, where Haupt asks Kubiak various questions about having military/intelligence connections, and Kubiak replies.
Frankly, this was an argument I could not follow extremely well, not knowing the details of many things they were discussing. Both Kubiak and Haupt had some good points and both were also very obnoxious with each other.
The bottom line for me is that I have some strong suspicions about the effectiveness of 9/11truth.org, and I think it is possible that they are a COINTELPRO operation.
Thus, I have serious and depressing doubts about the future of the 9/11 truth movement. Certainly I have major doubts about 9/11truth.org being an effective agency for spreading the truth and for change. Their fourth anniversary march in NYC will be critical to me-- if they have a turnout of less than a thousand and don't get mentioned in any major papers, they are worthless in my book. (Note, I went to their DC truth emergency meeting last July and was fairly disappointed by the turnout).
More importantly, Gerard Holmgren has sent some follow-up messages which I think are devastating to 9/11truth.org. Holmgren's basic message about 9/11 truth.org is this:
Specifically, Holmgren details how he sent key information about 9/11 being an inside to job to two "9/11 truth" people who acted as liasons to the 9/11 victim's families, Kyle Hence and Bill Douglas. These two repeatedly ignored the information and refused to pass on any information to the victims' families that would implicate the Bush administration in 9/11!!!!!!!
Seeing as how the 9/11 families were the only way the 9/11 truth movement could EVER get any significant political traction, I think it can be fairly said that Kyle Hence and Bill Douglas effectively (and almost certainly intentionally) destroyed any chance the 9/11 truth movement had of going anywhere.
Wasn't that a clever and perfect way for government insiders to take down the effectiveness of the 9/11 truth movement?
As dedicated as the new wave of 9/11 researchers and activists may be, in my opinion, they are never going to have serious political power now that the political power of the 9/11 families has been completely wasted on the fraudulent Independent 9/11 Commission. It is just too hard to convince a majority of Americans that their government had a hand in the 9/11 attacks (the horrible story of post-Katrina New Orleans not withstanding).
I am really depressed right now about this.
Holmgren also has some very revealing and damning things to say about Mike Ruppert, Jim Hoffman and Mark Rabinowitz. I can verify personally that Rabinowitz is a rather unpleasant and narrow-minded attack dog. I find the other info about Ruppert and Hoffman believable.
It seems, not too surprisingly in retrospect, that key 9/11 truth leaders, such as Mike Ruppert, Jim Hoffman, John Judge, etc, have government intel connections and are plants of some sort. The movement was doomed from the beginning.
On the plus side, here are some key 9/11 truth people I think are trustworthy:
David Ray Griffin
Webster Tarpley
Morgan Reynolds
Gerard Holmgren
Nico Haupt
To make a long story short, Nico Haupt believes 9/11truth.org is a front group for a type of COINTELPRO operation designed to limit how successful 9/11 activists are in getting the truth about 9/11 to the public.
The first set of e-mails was an exchange between Nico Haupt and David Kubiak, where Haupt asks Kubiak various questions about having military/intelligence connections, and Kubiak replies.
Frankly, this was an argument I could not follow extremely well, not knowing the details of many things they were discussing. Both Kubiak and Haupt had some good points and both were also very obnoxious with each other.
The bottom line for me is that I have some strong suspicions about the effectiveness of 9/11truth.org, and I think it is possible that they are a COINTELPRO operation.
Thus, I have serious and depressing doubts about the future of the 9/11 truth movement. Certainly I have major doubts about 9/11truth.org being an effective agency for spreading the truth and for change. Their fourth anniversary march in NYC will be critical to me-- if they have a turnout of less than a thousand and don't get mentioned in any major papers, they are worthless in my book. (Note, I went to their DC truth emergency meeting last July and was fairly disappointed by the turnout).
More importantly, Gerard Holmgren has sent some follow-up messages which I think are devastating to 9/11truth.org. Holmgren's basic message about 9/11 truth.org is this:
This sorry band of spooks proudly wave their placards which say "stop the 911 cover up " - at the same time as having a policy of censoring from the victim's families *any* research which suggests that the Bush regime was involved in the attacks.
Specifically, Holmgren details how he sent key information about 9/11 being an inside to job to two "9/11 truth" people who acted as liasons to the 9/11 victim's families, Kyle Hence and Bill Douglas. These two repeatedly ignored the information and refused to pass on any information to the victims' families that would implicate the Bush administration in 9/11!!!!!!!
Seeing as how the 9/11 families were the only way the 9/11 truth movement could EVER get any significant political traction, I think it can be fairly said that Kyle Hence and Bill Douglas effectively (and almost certainly intentionally) destroyed any chance the 9/11 truth movement had of going anywhere.
Wasn't that a clever and perfect way for government insiders to take down the effectiveness of the 9/11 truth movement?
As dedicated as the new wave of 9/11 researchers and activists may be, in my opinion, they are never going to have serious political power now that the political power of the 9/11 families has been completely wasted on the fraudulent Independent 9/11 Commission. It is just too hard to convince a majority of Americans that their government had a hand in the 9/11 attacks (the horrible story of post-Katrina New Orleans not withstanding).
I am really depressed right now about this.
Holmgren also has some very revealing and damning things to say about Mike Ruppert, Jim Hoffman and Mark Rabinowitz. I can verify personally that Rabinowitz is a rather unpleasant and narrow-minded attack dog. I find the other info about Ruppert and Hoffman believable.
It seems, not too surprisingly in retrospect, that key 9/11 truth leaders, such as Mike Ruppert, Jim Hoffman, John Judge, etc, have government intel connections and are plants of some sort. The movement was doomed from the beginning.
On the plus side, here are some key 9/11 truth people I think are trustworthy:
David Ray Griffin
Webster Tarpley
Morgan Reynolds
Gerard Holmgren
Nico Haupt
posted by spooked at 9:32 AM
4 Comments:
please explain why you think Jim Hoffman is a compromised researcher. I thought his stuff was great. Thanks
Hoffman is affiliated with the NSA:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/320469.shtml?discuss#186880
Be sure to read Gerard Holmgren's other comments on Hoffman at that site as well.
Basically, Hoffman's background is a bit fishy.
Here's the idea-- the 9/11 movement is infiltrated by people who only want to pursue a limited hangout arrangement, they don't want the whole truth about 9/11, IMHO, only a sanitized version similar to the official story.
perhaps try this tiny url for Hoffman:
http://tinyurl.com/ctlgo
Hehe, there are always plants. I've found that they usually tend to be so extreame in one direction, that if affiliated with you, they will make you look stupid.
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