Humint Events Online: Second Hit Revisited

Monday, October 31, 2005

Second Hit Revisited

First, take a gander at the shots of the second plane hitting the WTC, and in particular this particularly clear CNN video.

So, here are some more thoughts on the second hit, following up on my earlier observations.

First, what happens to the tail, and especially the massive vertical stabilizer of the 767? It seems to gointo the building without bending or breaking, yet there is no hole for it.

Second, as shown by the FEMA/NIST diagram, the plane hit at least seven concrete floors from the side, since it was going at an angle. Most noteworthy is the fact that the freaking fuselage hits a floor smack dab in the middle, such that the floor either had to give way or the fuselage would have been ripped into two halves. When the concrete floor ripped into the center fuel tanks, you would expect an immediate explosion. Wouldn't you?

Granted, the whole thing is happening very fast, there is a lot of momentum, but I can't figure how when the fuel bursts out as the plane impacts the building, the fireball bursts out the other side.

What I have yet to see, and I think would be informative, is map out exactly what parts of the plane went into different floors, then coorelate this with the debris that comes shooting out the other side. Does it match what went in?

As I see it, here are the major possibilities for the second hit:

1) it all happened as we saw on TV

2) it was a hologram-cloaked special military plane

3) a flying craft that wasn't UA175 hit the tower, but the media overdubbed other footage in order to:

--a) sanitize it (perhaps it was too gruesome to show on TV, bodies could be seen)

--b) to cover up that the plane broke up AS IT HIT and thus to justify the shooting fireball out the other side

--c) to cover up that it was a different plane than UA175

4) there was no plane hit at all and the media/911 controllers faked all the footage (the classic "no plane" theory).

While the no-plane argument has some appeal, I think it most likely thatprobably some fairly large flying craft hit the south tower. In general, it would be too hard to fake and cover up that there was no plane, although it is still possible.

One novel idea for what happened is that the media aired some fake footage of the second plane going into the tower (particularly the CNN footage from the south), for one of the reasons listed above (3a - 3c). Remember, there were not too many high detail shots of the plane going into the building. So they only needed to fake a couple of videos this way.

But I am open to the other ideas as well, except I doubt it was really UA175 that hit the tower.

I'll do more analysis on this.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, great blog.

Was the second hit broadcast LIVE on television when it occured? Any idea which channels broadcast it?

If not what was the delay?


2:33 AM  
Blogger spooked said...


Great question. This is actually a subject of some debate. It is not clear if any station aired the second hit footage truly live.

Myself, I didn't get a chance to watch TV until everything was over, so I can't say personally.

8:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for replying, haven't you come across any tapes which people recorded on the day?

I have a British one, it starts just before the second tower is detonated, SKY NEWS are trained on the tower minutes before it falls but the camera angle is zoomed so you just see the top blow out and disappear, they don't show any really wide angles for several hours. The demolition is more obvious in long shots than the close crop used live by Sky on 9/11

2:49 AM  
Blogger spooked said...

I don't have any tapes like these, but they are out there on various sites, particularly the Webfairy and Terrorize sites.

There are a few tapes where reporters report an explosion and don't say anything about a plane. But it isn't clear if they were in the wrong spot to see a plane or whether they REALLY didn't see the plane. There are police reports where people on the seen report missiles being fired at the WTC and no plane. There is a LOT of stuff like this out there, but there are many videos of the second plane and we have to asusme thye were all faked somehow if there was no plane.

8:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for reply.

Real shame no one has got live tapes from the the start of the day, some one out there will...

The reason I'm so interested is I heard testimony where a bloke who surived the WTC claimed his wife was watching the second plane hit live while he was on the phone talking to her from his office at the WTC.


8:43 AM  
Blogger spooked said...

Did she see it on TV or through a window looking out a the WTC?

There are definitely tapes out there, I know people who have them.

I have heard that there was ONE close to live-shot of the second hit, say a few second delay. But someone else mentioned to me there was no live shot. I guess depends what channel you were watching.

I think I can say with certainty is if there were indeed live-shots of the first hiot, it was only on one or two channels, and only one or two videos.

9:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Spooked said...
Did she see it on TV or through a window looking out a the WTC?

Jack Kemp claimed he was in the south tower talking to his wife on the phone about what happened to the north tower. He said his wife saw the second hit live while talking to him.

6:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a great site for videos of the Twin Towers demolition aly. :) That site also has a lot of ofther great stuff that I haven't seen anywhere else.

9:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Been scanning my tape again and SKY NEWS claim the second tower hit was shown live, they keep using the same shot and imply this one was shown, the plane swoops in on the opposite side of the building so you don't get a long shot of it's approach, instead it just slightly appears on the far left then you get the huge fireball. I must get the video tape onto DVD and distribute it, it lasts 3 hours.

8:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was up watching the Today Show live on NBC, Matt and Katie, sitting in that couch area, Katie says "we are just now getting reports that a small plane has hit one of the twin towers" "we are going to stay on air, on this story" then they go to one of those weather cam type shots, from a stationary camera on their studio building, showing what i think now was the opposite wall/other side of wtc1 of where the plane went in.

It's a small burning hole beltching the smoke keeps pouring the hole getting bigger they keep the updates and patter going and the same steady shot, (maybe one other feed from a different camera-i'm not sure) it is just their voices, interviewing someone by phone who is on the scene, not even a split screen, then all you see is something dark and vauge, then the large fireball...then total dimay. Then i run downstairs waking my roomate, "the terrorists are attacking the wtc!"

I had a weird feeling/sense as the second attack happened - in my disbelief - it seemed like the towers had a magnetic pull...some weird force was drawing these planes accidently into the buildings!!! "This should not be happening!"

8:28 AM  

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