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Sunday, January 29, 2006

On Plane-Shaped Holes in the WTC and Cartoons

and why it is so unlikely a 767 crashed into either WTC tower.

I'm just going to paste the whole damn thing in here because it is so good.

WTC Forensics

November 11 2005
Gerard Holmgren

Observe that we have a hole in the tower which is approximately the size and shape of a 767, indicating that the alleged large passenger jet punched decisively through the building. Also observe that we have no wreckage significant enough to be identifiable.

The combination of these two factors is a forensic proof that it can not have been a plane of that size, as I shall explain shortly.

Before that comes another forensic proof. Note that the shape of the hole indicates that the wings punched through the building, making more or less a shape of themselves.

When you sit in a passenger jet and look out the window to the wings, what do you see? A light aluminium structure which is segmented into panels and movable flaps. Hardly a cutting blade or battering ram, except against light materials.

The WTC was constructed of heavy construction steel, built to withstand hurricanes. We are asked to believe that such flimsy aluminium wings sliced through this structure decisively enough to make a cartoon type shape of themselves. Steel cutting blades are generally made from cobalt or tungsten and are either sharpened to precision or toothed.

If unsharpened, untoothed aluminium wings, with moveable panels could slice through construction steel like this, then blades for cutting steel would be a whole lot cheaper and less demanding of precision manufacture than what they are. This alone is enough to show that the 767 type shape in the wall, including an almost exact fit for the wings is an absurdity.

But lets just suppose that this was possible. That a plane could decisively punch through a building in this way. If so, then the wreckage can't just disappear into effectively nothing. Its simple conservation of energy. When a stronger object strikes a weaker object or vice versa, there are three possible outcomes.

The struck object is completely destroyed or moved out of the way, leaving the striking object with no damage and only loss of velocity to show for the collision. The striking object is completely destroyed or bounces off, leaving the struck object unmoved and undamaged. The destructive energy of the collision is shared in some balance between the struck object and the striking object. Most collisions will give this result although the destruction may well be much more heavily weighted towards one or the other, leaving one object with the majority of the damage.

What you can't have is a striking object destroying itself against the same object that its decisively punching through.

Here's some every day examples.

1a. Striking object negligibly damaged, struck object destroyed.

An arrow shot through a piece of carboad. The impacted part of the carboard is decisively destroyed making a hole roughly the shape of the arrow, and the arrow passes through, losing velocity and comes to rest undamaged.

1b. Striking object negligibly damaged, struck object moved.

A bowling ball hitting a bowling pin. The pin is knocked clear and the bowling ball slows a little as a result.

2a. Striking object destroyed, struck object unmoved and undamaged.

A glass thrown against a wall. The glass smashes, the wall is unmoved and undamaged.

2b. Striking object bounces off, struck object undamaged

A tennis ball thrown against a wall and bouncing off.

Now note what happens if the tennis ball breaks as it hits the wall. Instead of bouncing, it will now flop pretty much where it is. It cant break *and* bounce off as it did before. If you add energy to one part of the process, you have to subtract it from somewhere else. Conservation of energy.

Which brings us to:

3 Destruction shared between both objects.

A car colliding with a brick garden fence. Both objects suffer some damage and the car pretty much stops. The possible graduations of how the damage is shared are infinite, but what you cannot have is the car decisively punching through the fence leaving a cartoon type shape of itself, complety going through and *then* suddenly disintegrating beyond recognition.

If the car disintegrates itself to almost nothing, it will be because it hits a stronger surface which pushes most of the energy of the collision back into the car. So you might get a car reduced to confetti, but the surface it struck will be negligibly damaged/moved.

Or you might get a car bursting through a barrier of stretched cardboard, easily punching a shape of itself, but in this case you won't get a confetti car. It will emerge the other side negligibly damaged. Or you might get a wall of roughly equal strength to the car, in which case, you get a damaged but still basically intact car, coming to rest, probably part way through a wall which has been significantly damaged but doesn't have a cartoon type shape of the car punched neatly through it.

Think of the cartoon scene, where the cat chases the mouse through a mincer. The cat emerges from the other side still running, not realizing that its now made of a jigsaw type shapes. It keeps running for a while, and then with a look of resignation realizes that its been cut up, stops and collapses into a pile of little jigsaw type pieces.

Why do small children find this funny? Because even at that age, they know that what they've seen is impossible.

In real life, the cat either:

Gets immediately cut into pieces and ceases all co-ordinated movement as a single object, and doesn't damage the blades or Bursts through the mincer blades, breaking them or Mangles itself, stopping almost immediately and also causing significant damage to the blades.

So what we asked to believe at the WTC is a Tom and Jerry cartoon.

What would happen in real life is:

the plane would smash itself to pieces against the building, doing little damage to the building and the wreckage falling mostly to the street-- or the plane would pass through the wall making a cartoon type shape of itself (heh! Those sturdy aluminium cutting blades slicing through the flimsy construction steel of the building!) and come to rest, relatively intact-- or you'd have a smashed up and scattered plane, still in large identifiable pieces some of it inside the building, some falling to the street below, and damage to the wall of some unpredictable configuration.

The latter option is what happened when the plane hit the Empire State building in 1945. Large pieces of the plane broke off and fell to the streets below, and the bulk of it stuck pretty much in the side of the building.

In the Sandia video (shows a fighter jet smashing into a concrete wall at high speed and disintegrating-- ed.), you see option 1 - the plane being reduced to almost nothing and the struck surface negligibly affected.

What is impossible is for the plane to punch neatly through the building leaving a cartoon type shape of itself and *then* disintegrate into nothing. If this were possible we'd find the following examples in everyday life.

You saw through a piece of wood. When you've finished you've got a neat cut, and the saw blade has completely disintegrated.

You swing a sledge hammer through a plasterboard wall. The wall is decisively punched through, and when the hammer emerges the other side, the head has disintegrated.

A tennis ball hits a racquet. The ball smashes through the strings, leaving a neat round hole, passes through and then disintegrates into tiny pieces after its passed through.

One last thing to look at. Suppose that we forget about the aluminum cutting blades problem, and suppose that the plane passed through decisively, relatively undamaged, thus obeying conservation of energy laws and then, being packed with explosives, blew up into pretty much nothing after passing through.

In this case, how does an explosion massive enough to disappear a 70 ton plane, have a negligible effect on the building inside which the explosion is taking place, leaving no damage other than that apparently caused by the entry of the plane?

This problem is heightened by the following observation. If the plane passed decisively through the wall, then the plane is by definition the more robust of the two objects, having easily smashed aside the wall. But when the explosion goes off it totally disintegrates the stronger plane and yet somehow doesn't damage the comparatively flimsy building. Not possible.

Since the WTC was about 210 ft each side and the alleged plane about 160 ft, then with the plane completely inside the building, the extremities of the plane are less than a stones throw from the edges of the building. So any secondary explosion, powerful enough to disappear the plane should have also exacerbated the damage to the wall, where the plane passed through. If there had been, for a brief moment, a plane shaped hole, that should have been blasted bigger and differently shaped by the explosion which blew up the plane.

In fact it was this observation which finally laid to rest any lingering doubts I had about the South tower plane being a fake, after I looked at WF's (Webfairy's-- ed.) site, way back.

As if that's not enough, there isn't room for a 767 to completely disappear inside the WTC. The total size of the building only allows about 50 ft to spare, and there's the problem of the core of the building. Nearly half of the plane would have still been hanging out when the nose hit the core and the plane started smashing itself up. Or if you want to make the absurd suggestion that it also easily smashed through the core, without even enough damage to the plane to disturb it's direction enough to mess the cartoon type shape of itself, then why doesn't it also pass through the other side of the building in a similar manner?

Lets see now... the plane effortlessly punches through the wall, the wings making a shape of themselves, effortlessly punches through the core, and then, with a few feet to spare, once its completely inside the building, puts the brakes on and then blows up into nothing, with the explosion miraculously causing no extra damage to the building.

This would also mean that those razor sharp aluminium wings which sliced so easily through the flimsy construction steel would have been merrily slicing away for about 100 ft into the building, slicing the building like a loaf of bread before the plane blew up. The slice then healed itself. Perhaps the explosion put it all back into place...

This kind of thing might happen in cartoons and in the "minds" of people like Eastman (Pentagon researcher Dick Eastman-- ed.), but it's notably absent from real life.

The alternative is to come to the shocking conclusion that CNN and the govt lied to us, by showing us an animation and passing it off as real. The idea that CNN and the govt might have lied (gasp!) is so shocking to the "minds" of people like Eastman, so offensive to their deep sense of patriotism that they prefer to believe that cartoons are real.
(My emphases were added in bold and I altered/added some punctuation slightly for clarity.)

Overall, I propose that no ordinary plane hit the WTC on 9/11.

I also propose that the videos showing a plane melting into the South WTC tower are fake.

I also propose the plane-shaped holes were made by pre-planted explosives in the building, and the flying objects that struck the WTC the were military missiles.


Anonymous pinch said...

My God. This has got to be the singular most asinine and ludicrous thesis I have ever seen put forth - and I have seen some whoppers here.

I love it! I'm going to link the instapinch to this post to make sure the breadth and depth of this insanity is maximized for all to see.

I'm sure you'll have no problems with that - it'll increase your visitor count, unfortunately it will also point out how positively crazy the wacked out left is with their inability to understand not only simple physics but to handle complex events and their ramifications.

Holmgren has absolutely no concept of an aircraft, speed, the dynamics of the collision between a pressurized aluminum tube filled with jet fuel and a building made of steel, glass and aluminum or any of the interelationships therein.

The fact that you posted this and you actually *believe* this crap only make it that much more entertaining!

5:19 PM  
Blogger Spooked said...

so Pinchy, your degree in physics or engineering is from WHERE?

and it would be nice if you could point to at least one specific point here and say what is wrong with it.

7:31 AM  
Anonymous Rob said...

besides hurling insults at every opportunity, "pinch" offers nothing in the way of constructive comments.

you should expect nothing else from him in the future either....except more of the same crude, crass commentary.

spooked, he will NEVER, and moreover CAN NEVER post a reasoned, calm, well thought-out (sans crude, child-like insults) comment. it's simply not in his nature.

it's clear to me from the absolute DEARTH of intelligent comments emanating from this "pinch", that his Job here (and other places that are onto the 9-11 SCAM) is merely to agitate. because you simply can't argure with facts, and physics. so these 'Types' simply don't even try! LOL ;-)

think about it...why would someone who is so diametrically opposed to the ideas & concepts presented in this (and presumably other) blogs, CONSTANTLY HANG AROUND, AND CONSTANTLY POST ON THEM!!??

unless... hehe

12:47 PM  
Anonymous pinch said...

"so Pinchy, your degree in physics or engineering is from WHERE?"

Aircraft Aerodynamics, Principles of Aviation in pre-flight academic training, 10 years of on-the-job training as an aircraft-carrier based naval aviator for starters.

"and it would be nice if you could point to at least one specific point here and say what is wrong with it."

I addressed some of the absurdities of these claims in the other post. Stand by for the link to

10:42 PM  
Anonymous pinch said...

Its human nature, ol' Rob boy. That strange phenomenon of looking at the accident as you drive by. The hook that one gets from soap operas, seeing the seemy, fetid underside of society, so glad you are not part of it but wanting to see what it is like, nonetheless.

THAT is why I keep coming back here. The aforementioned reasons and the fact that my entire life I have been surrounded by superb professionals in my chosen field, that being various aspects of military aviation, and seeing the "experts" here opine on why a 100 ton aircraft flying at 500 knots should not blow up and explode after hitting a building such as the WTC - it simply doesn't GET any better than that!

I've said it before, but I'm getting way more than my $49.95 ISP cost back in spades here.

10:51 PM  
Anonymous Rob said...

again...responce(s) entirely DEVOID of facts. just more of the tired usual:

Insults & Generalities.

the Norm from "pinch".


I expect to be blessed with more of his Sage wisdom in the future.

11:12 PM  
Blogger Mayo said...

Absolutely fantastic blog, it is funny how people refuse to accept the truth because it seems unbelievable to them that the government could do such terrible things. And the only argument that "Pinch A Loaf" can come up with is how big and heavy and fast the plane was, c'mon man.

Look at the Alfred P. Murrah building in Oklahoma City bombing, physics prove flat out that the building blew from the inside out, not a dinky truck bomb. Yet the government would have you believe otherwise.

The US has flat out admitted to having knowledge of the Pearl Harbour attack 12 days before it happened and did nothing, hey they needed a reason for war, they got it.
Sure Mcveigh blew up the Alfred P. Murrah building in Oklahoma City all by his lonesome, why then were all FTA employees paged that morning and told to stay away from the building, I guess Mcveigh didn't want them to get hurt, sure, study it and find the truth. Let us see all the surveillance video, if he acted alone the tapes would prove it. Experts are also on this documentary proving that it had to be blown up from the inside out and not by a truck bomb.

Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK, nothing about it adds up, but still people refuse to believe that the CIA did it and worst is that George Hurbert Bush Senior was behind it, look it up. 12 cameras in the area taped the event, if they have nothing to hide, let us see it, oh of course, then we would see the truth. Why was there no motorcade beside the limo and no Secret Service men running along side his car after they made the hairpin turn down the street where he was blown away. Man that Lee Harvee sure must of had some kind of power to pull this off.

9/11? Well it stinks to high hell, %66 of americans believe that theire government was directly involved. Anyone with half a brain AND who study's it can see. Yet they refuse to properly investigate what the people are asking about, I guess we're just a bunch of idiots who are wrong.

The US killed it's own at Pearl Harbour, murdered JFK, blew up a building in Oklahoma and proceeded to murder 3000 civilians on 9/11 and if you LOOK, pulled off all kinds of shit, anthrax scares worked real well. But instead, we are worried about the Afghans and all those crazy-ass muslims.

Ask yourself this, what length have YOU or would you go for money and power if the opportunity presented itself. They had no issue with blowing away the leader of "the land of the free" in front of the world to push theire agenda and greed for power, you think civilian deaths to them is unreasonable, I think not!

Wake up people!

10:58 PM  

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