The Flight 93 Crash Site: Still Unexplained
How can a huge (Boeing 757) jet completely disintegrate and only leave a 10 foot wide by 50 foot long by 10 foot deep crater?
No one seriously believes the plane disappeared into the ground, do they?
I have yet to see anyone give a rational explanation for what happened to the plane according to the official story.
In my opinion, the flight 93 crater is one of the most obvious clues to the 9/11 hoax. Which is probably why flight 93 was shrouded in sentimental and patriotic mythology. And the obvious hoax of the flight 93 crash site is also why the government deliberately put out rumors that flight 93 was shot down.
No one seriously believes the plane disappeared into the ground, do they?
I have yet to see anyone give a rational explanation for what happened to the plane according to the official story.
In my opinion, the flight 93 crater is one of the most obvious clues to the 9/11 hoax. Which is probably why flight 93 was shrouded in sentimental and patriotic mythology. And the obvious hoax of the flight 93 crash site is also why the government deliberately put out rumors that flight 93 was shot down.
posted by spooked at 11:23 PM
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And all that few on board (6,000-8,000 gallons?) when it crashed, yet NONE of the tall hemlock grass growing around the rim of the crater was scorched.
Hmmmm.
fuel, not "few", oh what ev.
Killtown has had his ass handed to him on this subject already:
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=1851343&postcount=177
There's more than enough info in Gravys post to forever lay to rest your U93 hoax fantasies.
i dont think so sword.
Then there's the fact that most of the plane was recovered,
hmmm. there's all those guys standing around that crater but there doesn't seem to be any parts of a 757 anywhere in the vicinity!
Remains from every victim were recovered and positively identified. Don't believe me? Ask Wallace Miller of the Somerset County Coroner's Office.
this is what Wallace Miller of the Somerset County Coroner's Office actually said:
"This is the most eerie thing. I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop."
"I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. There was just nothing visible. It was the strangest feeling."
SOT--neither you nor "gravy" has explained the crash crater.
All gravy has shown is that some plane parts and victim pieces were recovered. From where? By whom?
What I am saying is that it is physically impossible for a 757 to crash the way flight 93 is supposed to have.
You haven't refuted that, nor has anyone else. And no one can, because the official crash story is physically impossible.
So the govt is lying about the flight 93 crash.
WHY?
Also, to follow up on J's point, there are conflicting stories about how much plane was recovered-- the FBI says 90% but Coroner Miller said they got less than 10% of the plane. Why???
And it is irrefutable that less than 10% of victims' remains were recovered-- and most of those remains were pieces of skin. This is according to media reports and the official accoun in "Among the Heroes". Why???
And it is irrefutable that the only picture of the supposed mushroom cloud from the burning plane couldn't have come from the crash site. This is Killtown's work. NO ONE has disputed this, because they can't. They just ignore it. Why???
Then the govt clearly muddied the waters about whether flight 93 was shot down early on-- but now they say it definitely wasn't. Why the early confusion???
Jesus H Christ. When will people wake up to the govts' lies???
People don't dispute it because it only feeds the lunatics.
if it could be disputed then it would be disputed - even if only by other lunatics. it's as simple as this: the govt shows a photo and says "here is the crash-site."
but anyone with eyes in their head can see that there is no crash at the crash-site.
i notice that pinch doesn't try to claim that there is a crash to be seen in official photos of the crash-site, he merely thinks his use of the words lunatics and idiots gives credence to his dissembling .
Pinch-- new rule for the comments:
if you have nothing useful to say except for insults, you're gone. I'm deleting you. This isn't a public arena. It's my space. You don't come to my house and start insulting me.
If you can explain how a 757 disintegrated into teeny tiny pieces yet only made that small hole in soft dirt, then fucking explain it.
In other words, Spook, what you meant to say is: "Wow, Pinch just owned my ass HARD! I better nuke what he said before anyone esle sees it."
I got the perfect motto for your page; "Deleting the truth, one post at a time."
what are you talking about sword?
pinch didn't own anybody's ass and even pinch knows it. that's why he never actually defends the official story; because he is wise enough to know that the official story is nonsense - he merely pretends, for reasons of his own, that it's amusing that others question the official story.
there is either a crash to be seen in the official photos of the crash-site or there is not. it is as simple as that.
I read Pinch's post before Spook got to it. It was a well reasoned and effective rebuttal to Spooks claims.
Wich is why he had to delete it.
i don't think pinch' comment needed to be deleted, but it didn't rebut anything.
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there is either a crash to be seen in the official photos of the crash-site or there is not.
...It was a well reasoned and effective rebuttal...
Not the one I read.
Maybe we read two different 'rebuttals"??
'Cos the one I read didn't re-BUTT A DAMN THING.
I don't delete posts that have present some reasonable argument. I do not consider ad hominem attacks on me reasonable, and that's all there was to Pinch's post. He offered no explanation for the crash site.
I am not going to put up with childish insults anymore. If someone wants to make a point of substance, I am happy to have it here. Unlike what seems to be the case for believers in the official story, my mind is actually open to new facts and pieces of evidence. But the mindless name-calling has got to stop. My policy is to delete posts that are filled more with insults and ad hominem attacks than with evidence or facts.
Yes, I have thrown out insults once in a while, but I honestly try to avoid it, and in any case, this is my blog.
"I don't delete posts that have present some reasonable argument."
Bullshit. If that were the case you'd be deleting all your OWN posts as well as those of your minions.
Face it. I'm starting to get on your nerves and you can't take anyone throwing the bullshit flag in your face anymore.
Deleting my posts is really pretty funny, though. Nothing like building your own little world, free from dissent and any contrary opinions!
Saying you are an expert on aeronautics and crash site anaylsis because of your "scientific experiments", I suppose, is an ad hominim attack in SpookWorld, but to anyone else who is familar with you and your Chicken Wire/Coat hanger experiments, its the truth.
Face it. I'm starting to get on your nerves and you can't take anyone throwing the bullshit flag
what bullshit pinch? is there a crash to be seen in the photos of the official crash site or is there not? i don't see one. does anyone else?
the real bullshit is that for 5 years people have said "where is the wreckage?" and suddenly at mooseowie the 20th highjacker extravaganza there are photos of little pieces of fuselage and red bandanas that obviously didn't come from the official crash site.
i suspect that pinch knows full well that the official 9/11 fairytale doesn't hold any water. that's why he has not once answered any of the questions -
where is the wreckage in the shanksville crash photos?
oh you guys are wackos!
where is the wreckage in the pentagon crash photos?
you are too wacky!
how did an aluminum wingtip and a plastic nosecone slice right thru the steel columns without any of it breaking off?
tinfoil underpants! where is your structural engineer!
Saying you are an expert on aeronautics and crash site anaylsis
spooked has never claimed to be an expert. maybe you pinch, should locate an expert and see if he can determine the answers.
"Bullshit. If that were the case you'd be deleting all your OWN posts as well as those of your minions."
Depends on your point of view.
"Face it. I'm starting to get on your nerves and you can't take anyone throwing the bullshit flag in your face anymore."
You do get on my nerves, but it is more due to the lack of substance in your name calling. Calling me a drooling idiot or maniac or whatever you said tells me nothing about the point of my post. If you don't want to deal with my questions, then fucking go someplace else.
"Deleting my posts is really pretty funny, though. Nothing like building your own little world, free from dissent and any contrary opinions!"
Ha ha. Look, everyone likes validation. But nonetheless, I happily present alternative views here. If you have a good link or point, I don't delete that-- and you and S.O.T. fucking know it. I am sick of the childish name-calling though.
"Saying you are an expert on aeronautics and crash site anaylsis because of your "scientific experiments", I suppose, is an ad hominim attack in SpookWorld, but to anyone else who is familar with you and your Chicken Wire/Coat hanger experiments, its the truth."
Hmm, I'm not sure that came out the way you meant it, Pinch.
But, look! You've accomplished your goal very well! You've completely distracted everyone from the point of the post-- and you still haven't explained how a huge jet could completely disintegrate and leave such a small crater! You're the aeronautical expert here. Give us your insight!
spooked has never claimed to be an expert. maybe you pinch, should locate an expert and see if he can determine the answers.
Actually, Spooked did claim to be an expert. By stating that the crash of United 93 as presented by the investigators is impossible, he is claiming to posess the expertise necessary to make that claim.
But he is not an expert, and therefore he is lying.
It doesn't take an expert to look at the crash crater and see that there is something funny about it.
All it takes is logic and some knowledge of mechanics.
And still you and Pinch cannot explain the official story.
Yes or No, Sword of Truth:
1) do you find it odd that there is no large, recognizable pieces of plane wreckage around the crater?
2) do you think a 757 could COMPLETELY disintegrate upon hitting the ground yet only produce that relatively small-sized crater?
1.) No, not at all. A hollow aluminum tube with thousands of pounds of fuel on board smashing into the ground at a near 90 degree angle at ~500 miles per hour is pretty much aluminum confetti.
2.) Yep. (see above)
so the reason that we don't see any crash debris in the photo of the official crash site is because the entire plane was reduced to confetti? then where did the pieces of fuselage in the photos that were brought out and paraded in front of the mooseowie jury come from?
Were they "large and recognizeable" pieces, J?
If they showed them to the jury in the courtroom, then my guess would be "no".
Oh, and try not to interpret my comments TOO literally.
dude you've seen the damn photos of pieces of fuselage as well as the rest of us have -
don't interpret your comments too literally? well then i'll have to reiterate:
why is there no crash debris in the photo of the official crash site?
It's really pointless to enter into a discussion with gov't shills like 'pinch' & 'sword of truth' spooked.
They surrender what little critical & independant thought they may ever have had to begin with, completely to the govt's physics and logic-defying version of the events of 9/11/01.
They know the official version makes no sense...yet they shill on...
They will NEVER disagree with ANY part of the murderers official version.
Go ahead. Actually ask these shills like 'pinch' et al a direct, simple question like "What part of the govt's version do you have a problem with".
All you'll hear is crickets chirping.
They will endlessly deflect...distract...change the subject.
The are Whores for the perps that murdered my fellow New Yorkers.
All I say to these shills is:
"Let the guilty HANG!"
All I say to these shills is: "Let the guilty HANG!"
Your "truth" is so weak that you have to resort to death threats to keep people from questioning it?
You're quite the little fascist, aren't you?
Adolf would be proud of you.
I just looked at your website "rob". Imagine my suprise when I found a link to a neo-nazi website!
Whan I said "Adolf must be proud", I didn't know you really were a nazi yourself.
My dads uncle spent the war in a RAF Lancaster bomber pouring out God's holy wrath upon your kind for thier crimes against the children of Isreal.
Try to hang me if you like, but be advised; my familys kill/loss ratio against you and your kind is already about 10,000 to nothing.
I see I gotta rise outta "Shill Of Truth".
hehe
Nice ta know I can push your buttons at will....shill.
;-)
..and remember, if you're guilty of aiding the domestic perps behind the murder of my fellow ny'ers on 9/11/01 by pimping their LIES, & TROLLING on sites like this ...trust me "shill of lies"...it's not a "threat", but a promise...of Justice.
TREASON is still punishable by DEATH....NO?
If that is no longer the law here in the good ol' US of A, please, by all means, correct me if I'm wrong.
I even will give you a litte background info on what happened to some other War Criminals...
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/nuremberg.htm
:-)
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Who is pushing whose buttons, Rob? You're the one throwing around death threats.
FYI, my country lost 25 people on 9-11. And no, treason isn't a death penalty offense up here.
Wich is why you should consider moving up here before they catch your pal Osama.
Who is "pinch"? I'm reading this kind of later but I feel like there is a hole in the comments.
Also, what exactly are you implying with flight 93? And do you still feel the same way 11 years later?
Who is "pinch"? I'm reading this kind of later but I feel like there is a hole in the comments.
Also, what exactly are you implying with flight 93? And do you still feel the same way 11 years later?
Who is pinch? I see him being referred to but don't actually see his name in the comments. It's like there is a hole in the comments.
Also, what exactly are you implying about flight 93? Do you still feel the same way 11 years later?
spooked - how does it make such a small crater? Ever put an explosive capable of tearing 3/8" think pipe into tiny pieces directly onto 3/8" steel with nothing on top of it? It leaves a black mark and nothing else. Why doesn't it tear apart the steel when it's just on top? Because explosive force is like any other force. It goes to the easiest "way out". Why doesn't lightning blow a human to bits if they're struck? There's plenty of energy to do so. It chooses the easiest path, which is through, not out. Explosions take the easiest path, too. That's why fireworks fountains don't blow up like firecrackers - there's an escape point. Firecracker, no escape point. Flight 93 explosion had an escape point, which was not directly into the ground so very little energy was spent displacing dirt.
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