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Sunday, September 16, 2007

The Pristine Pancake Theory!!!

Pristine Pancakes: On the Explosive Destruction of the WTC Skyscrapers Now Claimed to be Magical, Interaction-Free Pancakes

By the Anonymous Physicist



During the past week, the BBC reported a British engineering professor, Keith Seffen PhD, has claimed to have analyzed the WTC tower “collapses,” and claims to have worked out how a “progressive collapse” occurred in free fall time. The BBC article actually calls these “collapses” at “Ground Zero”, “chain reactions” [hint?] and says, “[Seffen’s] calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down.” Seffen says the “collapses” were “"very ordinary thing[s] to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behaviour of the buildings.”


Of course, this is risible on many fronts. While I have not seen this alleged article purported about to be published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics (apparently an American Journal), I will come back soon to reveal what he had to do in his “mathematical models.” But people have to know that when espousing a theory for the destruction of the WTC skyscrapers, they must account for ALL the phenomena observed or proven to have occurred, and not have a “theory” designed to match just one type of observation (commonly called fudging), when it is negated by many other observed or proven aspects of the WTC destruction. And many have already pointed out how the “pancaking” theory ignores what happened on 9/11. The fires were low temperature (black smoke) and were going out when destruction was initiated, alleged jet fuel does not reach temperatures high enough to have melted support structure, analysis shows that even the first floor would not have buckled as claimed (obviating the creation of the first “pancake”) as seen here. No “pancaking” can explain the massive outward explosions seen to have ejected structure weighing many tons as far away as several hundred yards, and that explosions can be seen going off well BELOW the highest extant level that coincides with free fall time of gravitational “pancaking,” as seen here and here. Neither does “pancaking” (“progressive” or otherwise) explain over a thousand (apparently) vaporized human beings, and furniture, micro- or nano-fine particle size, vaporized steel (Prof. Dr. Barnett), vast missing building mass, the many explosions that occurred before the “collapses,” and the ensuing China Syndrome of six months long high temperatures and molten metal massively documented here.

Though I have not seen Seffen’s alleged article and its “mathematical models” purporting to explain THE IMPOSSIBLE— due to the laws of Physics, namely conservation of momentum and energy-- it is clear there are only two ways to fudge things and get the result desired: 1. Omit the interactions, and forces, a bottom floor imparts back on to any alleged “pancaking” floor coming down on top of it. This would be far too obvious, so more likely; 2. Invent fictitious forces and interactions surreptitiously created to exactly counter the actual forces that would have impeded/slowed or halted such fictional pancaking. Thus having the ludicrous effect of the top and bottom floors instantly disappearing (vaporizing?) after impact, and then being “resurrected” in the next instant, and continuing on downward! But such imaginative mathematical models of “magical, interaction-free pancakes” that purport to negate the laws of physics would be seen for what they are, by any professional journal editors, and returned to its shill sender. So if a “Journal” actually publishes this detritus, it has forever destroyed its own credibility. Because a scientist, or engineer, in this age of fascism laughably masquerading as democracy, must resist, at all costs, the desire to buckle under to the regime when asked. But some will not resist.

There is a clear historical analogy. When the conspirator-laden Warren Commission was faced with a similar, impossible task, it created one of history’s great fictions. When faced with the proof of President Kennedy being flung straight back from a frontal head shot, and eyewitness, and earwitness, testimony, and body wounds matching about 10 bullets, including the fatal head shot entry being above the right eye, they came up with following, official story. They said that the shots came from behind (violating the law of conservation of momentum), and that three shots [only] were fired by perhaps the worst marksman in U.S. military history [Oswald, who was either in the cafeteria at the time, or now thought/shown to have been at the front door of the TSBD), through trees with a weak, ancient, bolt-action rifle that had a mis-aligned sighting scope, and was done faster than any FBI marksman could ever duplicate. And that the fatal bullet went through two people hitting up to five bones, hung out in mid-air for a second and a half, and made turns on its own without external forces, AND was in pristine condition when “found” at Parkland Hospital. This fiction would become known as the Pristine Bullet, or the Magic Bullet; because the bullet, despite its alleged interactions with bone and other tissue, was undeformed and was not missing any appreciable mass. This fiction’s creator was young Warren Commission attorney, Arlen Specter. He would be made Senator for life. Sometimes winning re-election even when the polls, just before, showed him significantly behind! (Yes, a harbinger of the Bush elections.)


Likewise, Keith Seffen will now likely get ahead financially and “professionally.” But will this reward from the regime be worth the price? Seffen’s colleagues will forever snicker after he walks past them, his students will drop out of his classes, if they can, because they too will know enough to know what he did. He is now the Arlen Specter of 9/11. A fate any self-respecting human being, let alone engineer or scientist, would die to avoid. For Keith Seffen will now forever be known as the creator of thoroughly impossible, effectively, interaction-free “Pristine Pancakes” or “Magic Pancakes.”

71 Comments:

Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Why do you claim to be a physicist?

9:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"melted support structure"

Right there is proof this "Anonymous Asshole" has absolutely no idea what he is talking about and all the gullible idiots on this blog eat up his bullshit.

Nobody is saying steel support beams "melted". They didn't need to for a collapse to be inevitable.

"melted support structure"

Fucking moron.

11:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Pristine Pancake lovers, you are the trolls and morons. Only you zeroes want to proclaim floors smashing into other floors would not retard the bogus "collapse", AT ALL, because appropriately YOU ARE RETARDED.

All the while, the massive outward explosions are clearly seen, pristine pancaker!

11:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

""Nobody is saying steel support beams "melted". They didn't need to for a collapse to be inevitable.""

"inevitable" ha ha! what the devil are you talking about?

neither tower "collapsed".
all the concrete in both towers was somehow rendered completely into powder and more than half of the steel in each tower (most of the core columns) disappeared before it even hit the ground.
all this happened in only 10 seconds each - the same amount of time it would take for a coin to reach the ground if dropped from the roof of a wtc.
do your homework, shills!

11:58 PM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

No steel "disappeared". No photographic record, eyewitness account or video even remotely suggests such.

The towers took 18 seconds to fully collapse. Not ten.

You n eed to stop getting your info from neo-nazi websites like this oen.

12:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"""The towers took 18 seconds to fully collapse. Not ten."""

wow are you the sword_of_deception or merely the sword_of_tard?
even the 9/11 commission has an official stopwatch and insists that each tower "totally collapsed in 10 seconds".

"""No steel "disappeared". No photographic record, eyewitness account or video even remotely suggests such."""

really. i am going to assume that you are the sword_of_deception rather than merely the sword_of_tard because if it did not disappear then you and the rest of your tard posse should be able to explain where it went/is.
here is a photo of wtc2 only 6 seconds into it's demise and more than half of it is gone. where did the rest of it go?

we are way beyond your nonsense at this point, swort_of a_shill.

1:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And my article itself, quoting or paraphrasing this "engineer", Seffen, says in his, or their own, words: "that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only NINE SECONDS for the building to go down.” Re-read my article Swart shill. Your fellow perps said nine seconds, not 18!

So they are admitting to NINE SECONDS!

Now just as my article goes over, Pristine, Magical pancakes completely impossibly falling through other floors, without any interactions as if they were not there...WAIT!

Nine seconds is faster than than free fall time!

Are they admitting now to the actual downward explosions were faster than free fall time?! Has the BBC and Seffen proven the case for explosions by their own slip-up and admission?!!

Just as with the monstrous lie of the Magic, Pristine Bullet of the Kennedy Assassination, everything the shills who troll here, the BBC, Seffen et al, say about their new Pristine, Magic pancakes is proving they did it with the massive explosions of nukes.

Anonymous Physicist

1:45 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

"Nine seconds is faster than than free fall time!

Faster than free fall? Are you INSANE!?!

Your ignorance of physics is absolutely staggering.

2:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not in a vacuum either, moron.

2:22 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

FACT: "There is no scientific basis for the conclusion that explosions brought down the towers," Lerner-Lam tells PM. "That representation of our work is categorically incorrect and not in context."

The report issued by Lamont-Doherty includes various graphs showing the seismic readings produced by the planes crashing into the two towers as well as the later collapse of both buildings. WhatReallyHappened.com chooses to display only one graph (Graph 1), which shows the readings over a 30-minute time span.

On that graph, the 8- and 10-second collapses appear — misleadingly — as a pair of sudden spikes. Lamont-Doherty's 40-second plot of the same data (Graph 2) gives a much more detailed picture: The seismic waves — blue for the South Tower, red for the North Tower — start small and then escalate as the buildings rumble to the ground. Translation: no bombs.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5

Bye bye nuke theory.

2:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retarded Swart, everyone knows the laughable "Popular Mechanics" garbage for what it is, with a Gestapo Chartoff in charge.

You are so desperate to quote such proven crap.

Does your beloved gestapo regime fear the promulgation of the truth of...

PRISTINE PANCAKES

2:35 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Pure, 100% logic free ad hominem argument there.

As Anonymous Piece-of-shit said, any theory "must account for ALL the phenomena observed or proven to have occurred, and not have a “theory” designed to match just one type of observation".

No seismic spikes = no bombs.

Suck it down, bitch.

2:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retarded, lying gestapo agent swart, aka Early: You are so desperate to repeat the lies of "Popular Mechanics" as if there is a single word of truth. Liars only quote liars.

Not only do the Seismic Recordings Prove Explosions, as this article demonstrates, the explosions began BEFORE the first "plane hit."

http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/seismic-proof-911-was-an-inside-
job


You have nothing because you are nothing; just a lying, murdering shill.

3:33 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

You obviously missed this the first time:

No seismic spikes = no bombs.

Suck it down, bitch.

3:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Retarded, lying gestapo agent swart, aka Early: You are so desperate to repeat the lies of "Popular Mechanics" as if there is a single word of truth. Liars only quote liars.

Not only do the Seismic Recordings Prove Explosions, as this article demonstrates, the explosions began BEFORE the first "plane hit."

http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/seismic-proof-911-was-an-inside-
job


You have nothing because you are nothing; just a lying, murdering shill.

3:49 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Protec was operating portable field seismographs at construction sites in Manhattan and Brooklyn on 9/11 and these seismographs were recording ground vibration throughout the timeframe of events at ground zero. These measurments, when combined with more specific and detailed siesmic date from Columbia University's Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory, help to provide an unfiltered, purely scientific view of each event...

...In all cases where seismographs detected the collapses, waveform readings indicate a single, gradually ascending and descending level of ground vibration during the event. At no point during 9/11 were sudden or independent vibration spikes documented by any seismograph."

- Brent Blanchard, Director of Field Operations, Protec Documentation Services.

http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

I win, you lose... yet again. Suck it down, bitch.

3:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From the article I posted above:

http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/seismic-proof-911-was-an-inside-
job

We have proof of the seismic readings that prove explosions and govt involvement, and cover-up..

CONCLUSION
Several seismic stations recorded seismic signals originating from two events which occurred at the WTC site, immediately prior to both aircraft impacts. Because these signals preceded the impacts there can be no doubt that the seismic signals recorded were not those associated with the aircraft impacts on the Towers. These signals were in fact the seismic spikes associated with the huge basement explosions reported by witnesses. Only by a revision of the previously well-regarded seismic times has NIST been able to attempt to say the times of the aircraft impacts coincide with the seismic signals, and even then, their 8:46:30 first impact time is a fake. Meanwhile, the evidence of basement explosions prior to the impact of AA Flt 11 has not been explored or examined at all, even with so great a cloud of witnesses.

The inescapable conclusions drawn from this analysis and the facts contained herein, cast extreme doubt on the government’s claim that these attacks were carried out solely by Middle Eastern terrorists, who would not have had the ability or opportunity to plant the explosive devices, nor to detonate them so as to be masked and partially hidden by the aircraft impacts. The real perpetrators, those who actually did plant these devices, clearly had free access to the Towers. The total number of people who had this opportunity was small and a list of these people should be easily available. Middle Eastern terrorists alone could not have been responsible as they do not have the wherewithal of this kind of scale. It is more than remarkable that the 9/11 Commission, although it had heard the testimony of William Rodriguez regarding the explosions in the basements, did not deem it important enough to be included in the Final Report. In Rodriguez’s testimony he says many of his fellow witnesses wanted to give their testimony to the Commission, and tried repeatedly to bring this about, but the 9/11 Commission never called any of them. Rodriguez said the only reason he was able to appear out of all of them was because he was instrumental in bringing about the actual formation of the Commission (he was heavily involved with many of the families of the victims who were trying to get a commission formed to investigate 9/11).

This analysis has examined the evidence of basement explosions as given by William Rodriguez and others and has shown by the evidence given by William Walsh, and by examination of the Tower’s elevator layout, that it is not physically possible that these could have the aircraft impact as their source.

The analysis has identified further information from Jenny Carr and shown that this confirms the evidence of William Rodriguez that the basement explosions preceded the first aircraft impact by nine seconds. Examination of the various times given for the seismic events and aircraft impacts, detailed by the FAA, the NTSB and the LDEO original seismic analysis confirm that there was a time delay between the basement explosions and the aircraft impact.

THEREFORE, the facts in this paper, which pertain directly to the greatest crime and conspiracy of modern times, demand a new independent, quasi private/public, non-politicized 9/11 investigation (a real one this time, one with teeth) be formed immediately to pursue this crime investigation until the murderers / conspirators are identified, apprehended, and brought to justice. All Americans, especially the NYPD, the Attorney General for the State of New York, Congress, and the Bush Administration need to work in answering this question: Who are the ones responsible for the explosions before the planes hit the buildings?

To ignore the facts of this paper would be intellectual dishonesty at best, and if the government and the media do not respond, it is like an admission of guilt and/or continued coverup.

Five years is long enough.

Now is the time for justice for those who died that day, justice for their families and friends who grieve to this day, justice for all the victims who survived, and that those who did this heinous act receive the full measure of justice befitting their crime.

No stone should be left unturned until these murderers are caught.

Now is the time for the new 9/11 investigation.

The official times for plane “impact” [precise to the second] as declared by the US Government, from both the 9/11 Commission and from NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology), are different and yet both are true and accurate times. What can this factual contradiction mean? Looking exclusively at WTC1, there is found the indisputable causal link:

One World Trade, September 11, 2001
American Airlines Flight 11 “impact” time:
8:46:30 UTC, per LDEO seismic data (National Institute of Standards and Technology, 2005)
8:46:40 UTC, per FAA last primary radar contact (9/11 Commission Final Report, 2004)

Q- What caused the 8:46:30 seismic event that occurred 10 seconds before the actual aircrash at 8:46:40?
A- The only possibility is huge explosions, as corroborated by many eyewitnesses at the time.
Q- Who caused these explosions before the plane hit?

In 2004, the 9/11 Commission avoided addressing the earlier seismic event time (which had been, in error, attributed by Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University, originally in 2001 as “plane impact”).

In 2005, NIST avoided addressing the 9/11 Commission’s later time for the aircraft’s actual impact time.

Both the 9/11 Commission and NIST avoided addressing the many witnesses who testified of explosions in the basements before the plane crashed.

This precision data has yet to be refuted by anyone. It is from the two highest governmental entities charged with looking into what happened on 9/11, and both declared these times as accurate, and in doing so they corroborate William Rodriguez and the many eyewitnesses the morning of 9/11 who testified of explosions in the sub-basements of WTC1 before American Airlines Flight 11 struck the building. This is indicting evidence of governmental coverup, and thus implication of complicity.

Before it is too late, demand a new 9/11 investigation, except this time a real one.
Justice waits…{and there is no statute of time limitation on murder}

by Craig T. Furlong & Gordon Ross
Scholars for 911 Truth

4:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Swart, AKA Early, is just a shill who repeats lies. Apparently paid by volume, not substance.
We can tell what the regime is worried about from the desperate need to repeat his idiocy.

Pristine Pancakes, a la the Pristine Bullet, proves the gestapo regime's guilt.

4:26 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Protec was operating portable field seismographs at construction sites in Manhattan and Brooklyn on 9/11 and these seismographs were recording ground vibration throughout the timeframe of events at ground zero. These measurments, when combined with more specific and detailed siesmic date from Columbia University's Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory, help to provide an unfiltered, purely scientific view of each event...

...In all cases where seismographs detected the collapses, waveform readings indicate a single, gradually ascending and descending level of ground vibration during the event. At no point during 9/11 were sudden or independent vibration spikes documented by any seismograph."

- Brent Blanchard, Director of Field Operations, Protec Documentation Services.

http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

I win, you lose... yet again. Suck it down, bitch.

6:02 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Protec was operating portable field seismographs at construction sites in Manhattan and Brooklyn on 9/11 and these seismographs were recording ground vibration throughout the timeframe of events at ground zero. These measurments, when combined with more specific and detailed siesmic date from Columbia University's Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory, help to provide an unfiltered, purely scientific view of each event...

...In all cases where seismographs detected the collapses, waveform readings indicate a single, gradually ascending and descending level of ground vibration during the event. At no point during 9/11 were sudden or independent vibration spikes documented by any seismograph."
- Brent Blanchard, Director of Field Operations, Protec Documentation Services.


http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

I win, you lose... yet again. Suck it down, bitch.

6:21 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Protec was operating portable field seismographs at construction sites in Manhattan and Brooklyn on 9/11 and these seismographs were recording ground vibration throughout the timeframe of events at ground zero. These measurments, when combined with more specific and detailed siesmic date from Columbia University's Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory, help to provide an unfiltered, purely scientific view of each event...

...In all cases where seismographs detected the collapses, waveform readings indicate a single, gradually ascending and descending level of ground vibration during the event. At no point during 9/11 were sudden or independent vibration spikes documented by any seismograph."
- Brent Blanchard, Director of Field Operations, Protec Documentation Services.


http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

I win, you lose... yet again. Suck it down, bitch.

6:21 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Protec was operating portable field seismographs at construction sites in Manhattan and Brooklyn on 9/11 and these seismographs were recording ground vibration throughout the timeframe of events at ground zero. These measurments, when combined with more specific and detailed siesmic date from Columbia University's Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory, help to provide an unfiltered, purely scientific view of each event...

...In all cases where seismographs detected the collapses, waveform readings indicate a single, gradually ascending and descending level of ground vibration during the event. At no point during 9/11 were sudden or independent vibration spikes documented by any seismograph."
- Brent Blanchard, Director of Field Operations, Protec Documentation Services.


http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

I win, you lose... yet again. Suck it down, bitch.

6:22 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Protec was operating portable field seismographs at construction sites in Manhattan and Brooklyn on 9/11 and these seismographs were recording ground vibration throughout the timeframe of events at ground zero. These measurments, when combined with more specific and detailed siesmic date from Columbia University's Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory, help to provide an unfiltered, purely scientific view of each event...

...In all cases where seismographs detected the collapses, waveform readings indicate a single, gradually ascending and descending level of ground vibration during the event. At no point during 9/11 were sudden or independent vibration spikes documented by any seismograph."
- Brent Blanchard, Director of Field Operations, Protec Documentation Services.


http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

I win, you lose... yet again. Suck it down, bitch.

6:22 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Protec was operating portable field seismographs at construction sites in Manhattan and Brooklyn on 9/11 and these seismographs were recording ground vibration throughout the timeframe of events at ground zero. These measurments, when combined with more specific and detailed siesmic date from Columbia University's Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory, help to provide an unfiltered, purely scientific view of each event...

...In all cases where seismographs detected the collapses, waveform readings indicate a single, gradually ascending and descending level of ground vibration during the event. At no point during 9/11 were sudden or independent vibration spikes documented by any seismograph."
- Brent Blanchard, Director of Field Operations, Protec Documentation Services.


http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

I win, you lose... yet again. Suck it down, bitch.

6:23 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Protec was operating portable field seismographs at construction sites in Manhattan and Brooklyn on 9/11 and these seismographs were recording ground vibration throughout the timeframe of events at ground zero. These measurments, when combined with more specific and detailed siesmic date from Columbia University's Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory, help to provide an unfiltered, purely scientific view of each event...

...In all cases where seismographs detected the collapses, waveform readings indicate a single, gradually ascending and descending level of ground vibration during the event. At no point during 9/11 were sudden or independent vibration spikes documented by any seismograph."
- Brent Blanchard, Director of Field Operations, Protec Documentation Services.


http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

I win, you lose... yet again. Suck it down, bitch.

6:23 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Protec was operating portable field seismographs at construction sites in Manhattan and Brooklyn on 9/11 and these seismographs were recording ground vibration throughout the timeframe of events at ground zero. These measurments, when combined with more specific and detailed siesmic date from Columbia University's Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory, help to provide an unfiltered, purely scientific view of each event...

...In all cases where seismographs detected the collapses, waveform readings indicate a single, gradually ascending and descending level of ground vibration during the event. At no point during 9/11 were sudden or independent vibration spikes documented by any seismograph."
- Brent Blanchard, Director of Field Operations, Protec Documentation Services.


http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

I win, you lose... yet again. Suck it down, bitch.

6:24 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Protec was operating portable field seismographs at construction sites in Manhattan and Brooklyn on 9/11 and these seismographs were recording ground vibration throughout the timeframe of events at ground zero. These measurments, when combined with more specific and detailed siesmic date from Columbia University's Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory, help to provide an unfiltered, purely scientific view of each event...

...In all cases where seismographs detected the collapses, waveform readings indicate a single, gradually ascending and descending level of ground vibration during the event. At no point during 9/11 were sudden or independent vibration spikes documented by any seismograph."
- Brent Blanchard, Director of Field Operations, Protec Documentation Services.


http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

I win, you lose... yet again. Suck it down, bitch.

6:24 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Protec was operating portable field seismographs at construction sites in Manhattan and Brooklyn on 9/11 and these seismographs were recording ground vibration throughout the timeframe of events at ground zero. These measurments, when combined with more specific and detailed siesmic date from Columbia University's Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory, help to provide an unfiltered, purely scientific view of each event...

...In all cases where seismographs detected the collapses, waveform readings indicate a single, gradually ascending and descending level of ground vibration during the event. At no point during 9/11 were sudden or independent vibration spikes documented by any seismograph."
- Brent Blanchard, Director of Field Operations, Protec Documentation Services.


http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

I win, you lose... yet again. Suck it down, bitch.

6:24 AM  
Blogger Greywolf said...

Tut, tut, tut! There's some awful bad language going on around here.

I've spotted sword of truth at the JREF forum. There are some really smart lads there and if you really want to test your ideas and watch them get torn to shreads like a hare pulled apart by hounds, there is no place better.

However, they are mostly government and military-industrial complex types who despite their considerable talents, are slaves to the system and not allowed to express thoughts in conflict with the prevailing orthodoxy. So their education has been wasted after all.

But the fact that sword of truth has turned up here at all may mean that some of Spooked's observations are on track.

We know that symmetrical progressive collapse doesn't knock down skyscrapers in the absence of help from demolition contractors for several good reasons, the simplest being that if this was not the case, then all a demolition contractor would have to do to bring down any large tower would be to plant charges to knock out the columns on any one floor around half way to three quarters of the way up. That would be the neat, cheap and universally applied method. The reason it is never applied is because it doesn't work.

Hence, the towers were demolished and sword of truth is either an ignoramous, a shill, or both.

QED

6:29 AM  
Blogger spooked said...

Good point Greywolf!

As to seismic vibrations, the key point is there were ground vibrations associated with the demolitions. All that the govt shills have to do is move the time of the vibrations a couple seconds later, so they occur with the falling debris, and don't show up before. This is child's play. Moreover, demolition as was seen with the towers does not absolutely need a huge ground level explosion, if it occurring from the top down anyway.

As far as melting support structures-- while the regime has since retracted that claim, it is worth noting that right after 9/11, the official story was that burning jet fuel melted the support beams of thee towers.

7:50 AM  
Blogger spooked said...

Also, while it is true that parts of the cores of the towers stood for as 18 seconds, the main outer structures and the floors of the towers took only 9-10 seconds to fall.

8:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow that's quite a tantrum from the sword_of_deception!
hey if you can't pass off a lie by using your mind then your only recourse is to stamp your little foot.
right sword?
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when govt scientific sell-outs try to pass off absurdity as normal then you know they are grasping at straws.
the official fairytale is slipping into the pile of shit that it is.
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seismic data directly shows a massive explosion at the start of the destruction.
sharp spikes in seismograph readings (richter 2.1 and 2.3) occurred at the beginning of "collapse" for both towers.
short duration and high power indicate an explosive event.

pulverization of 99% of wtc concrete into ultra fine dust as recorded by official studies.

WTC NUCLEAR DEMOLITION

10:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is a wonderful radio interview all you non-shills will enjoy. A Popular Mechanics editor, or such, gets slammed down in this interview, by the truth, or even by innocentquestions. They have nothing but stupid lies.


http://www.apfn.net/pogo/A003I060823-am-c3.MP3

Anonymous Physicist

11:06 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

I spammed that shit because you idiots and mr anonymous "faster than free-fall" pieceofshit won't read it.

Portable siesmographs placed in Manhattan detected NOTHING resembling an explosion on 9/11.

THERE...

WERE...

NO...

SEISMIC ...

SPIKES.


Get it?

2:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep Lying Swart/Early.

As I wrote, anyone can NOW SEE the explosions going off below the extant level that corrsponds to the free-fall level--which is itself in violation of the laws of Physics.

I wrote:
"explosions can be seen going off well BELOW the highest extant level that coincides with free fall time of gravitational “pancaking,” as seen here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo7t3XQ2PbM&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2E911researchers%2Ecom%2F

and here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgb-MU1BsC0&NR=1

People: Just go to these 2 links to see the BBC footage not apparently shown on American TV, and look below the free-fall level that is exploding, and you will see clearly explosions well below the free-fall level.

As a commenter above noted, the people can see what is true, by what the paid gestapo shills are ordered to say and do, ad nauseum.

The cat is out of the bag, gestapo swart:

Magical, Impossible...

Pristine Pancakes

Anonymous Physicist

3:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh
poor
sword!
are
you
pouting
now
after
stamping
your
little
foots?
ha ha go get your dad!

3:25 PM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Oh gawd, now I have to teach physics to this moron.

Those weren't explosions. An explosive device attached to a beam within the WTC would have transmitted a portion of its energy through the frame of the building into the ground. That's where Protec and LDEOs seismographs would have picked up the vibrations. No vibrations, no bombs.

Any theory must explain ALL the observed phenomena, remember?

6:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey liar, seismographs recorded richters of 2.1 and 2.3 when the destruction began.
maybe your popular mechanics forgot to mention that part.

7:32 PM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

hey liar, seismographs recorded richters of 2.1 and 2.3 when the destruction began.
maybe your popular mechanics forgot to mention that part.


Wrong again.

Read the article this time, dumbass.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5

8:47 PM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

The seismic waves — blue for the South Tower, red for the North Tower — start small and then escalate as the buildings rumble to the ground. Translation: no bombs.

8:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ya more of your popular morons bullshit.
where's that lesson in physics that you said you would give?

9:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The seismic waves — start small and then escalate as the buildings rumble to the ground.

go back and look at the photo in comment #6 and then tell us which part of wtc2 was rumbling to the ground.

you should stick to your dumbass forte; your new jew-hater fetish.

12:34 AM  
Anonymous Rob said...

Our resident SHILL "Sword" has his Panties all in a bind...

Spooked must've struck a nerve..

GOOD.

;-)

1:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right you are Rob!

After I posted this radio interview

http://www.apfn.net/pogo/A003I060823-am-c3.MP3

where everything Pop Mechanics wrote is debunked when confronted, and after Spooked highlighted how the shills just altered the time frame of the seismic recordings, after all the videos show the massive outward explosions (only capable of coming from, and fitting all evidence of, nukes), this agent still is here. Obviously under orders.

Yes Swart who usually just says, "Why do you claim to be a Physicist" after my posts, now indeed has his/her panties in a bunch.

Why? The gestapo regime didn't like being shown for what it is with the Pristine Bullet of the Kennedy Assassination. Likewise, the ludicrous, magical, Pristine Pancakes has the perps in a lockdown.

So now Swart, the troll/gestapo agent is reduced to calling Spooked an anti-semite?!

And the only (ridiculous) "evidence" is that Killtown has written holocaust denial material and has numerous anti-semites on his "forum."

But that is Killtown and not Spooked. Everyone who is not a hidden agent knows this ancient hangout: whatever happened --"The Jews Did it" is a hangout from the PTB to hide the trail of the real perps.

It is fascinating to see this regime troll, Swart, use Killtown's writings against Spooked. When it is clear to anyone who can see that Killtown is likely with the PTB, and Spooked is not.

Killtown has said that Frame 312 of the Zapruder film is the fatal head shot frame [7/9/07]

"Yellow circle showing William Greer's clenched left fist at the time Kennedy's head explodes. Notice his right arm is low on the steering wheel. (Photo source - #312. Note that I enlarged, sharpened, and brightened this still.)"

Everyone knows that Frame 313 is the frame "when Kennedy's head explodes," and not 312. And being a DEWhugger, and heading the DEWhuggers, is not what Spooked has done to his credit. I have detailed how this evidence-free hangout, DEW, was created to desperately claim all the "exotic" evidence that could only come from nukes.

But the bottom line is, it is almost always the PTB, behind the scenes, that put out: "whatever it was, it was the Jews." And, "there was little or no holocaust." These things aways come from the shills working for the PTB; sometimes ordered to sabotage their own work or website. If you want to denounce Killtown for this, you get no argument from me, but don't link that to Spooked. For the perps placed their agents throughout, and at the "top" positions in the 911 truth movement from the outset. And any of us could get suckered in, at one time or another.

So the Holocaust denial, the Frame 312, the DEW hangout are all Killtown's signature, not Spooked's.

And, if anything, Swart's bringing up Killtown's foibles and trying to pin them on Spooked is fascinating. Because there is a good chance, all shills work for the same perps, maybe even know each other?

The sad truth is there may not be a single forum not run by a perp!
That is the purpose of the forums!!
One has to truly understand what a limited hangout is to appreciate this. Has any forum run articles on the China Syndrome even though there have now been many cases of cancer in responders?

But the perps, and the non-perps leave their signatures everywhere. Perps are into Holocaust denying, "Jews did it all." Non-Perps can change their mind about what did 911 when presented with the evidence.

Perps like Swart desperately go off topic, lie/repeat about everything, and troll endlessly for certain topics.

The bottom line is to see what these trolls are ordered to counter, at all costs. Then one can see what the regime is worried about and that it is likely true. We know the perps are perenially worried that the People will know the regime killed their President, and not "rogue elements", likewise the PTB worry that the People will find out that NYC was nuked and all the radiation-induced deaths--over 400 responders' cancers as of last year--will enrage the masses to action. So they create hangouts, and distractions: "Jews", DEWS, termites, and Pristine Pancakes.

My Pristine Pancake article, and this blog's unwanted, obvious regime troll's response, show how they are worried that the blatent explosions are beginning to sink into the mass conciousness, and they counter this with blatently
ludicrous nonsense which I have labeled for what it is: impossible, magical pristine pancakes.

Anonymous Physicist

6:49 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

NYC was nuked and all the radiation-induced deaths--over 400 responders' cancers as of last year


Aren't you missing something? Like maybe thousands of deaths from radiation poisoning?

As I said... your ignorance of physics is staggering.

3:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

""Aren't you missing something? Like maybe thousands of deaths from radiation poisoning?""

do you think radiation sickness develops instantly? some hiroshima/nagasaki victims took years to waste away.
over 400 is almost 1/2 of a thousand - and it's only been 6 years.
but since you are the sword_of_science (as if) then you know that already.

nice try though!
at least you did not stamp your little jew-fetish feets this time.

8:24 PM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Again, since you don't know anything about physics, it falls to me to teach you.

There are three main factors that affect how "dirty" a nuclear device is. These are:

1.) Yeild
2.) Wether its fission or fusion
3.) Air burst or ground burst (or proximity to material wich can form fallout)

Lower yeild devices are dirtier because less of the fissile material is used up in the detonation. Lower yield devices are also dirtier because they either cannot generate the temperatures and pressures needed for fusion, therefore they cannot be used as fusion triggers. Fission devices are always dirtier because they rely on heavier isotopes. Ground bursts are always dirty because anything on the ground gets vaporized, irradiated and turned into fallout.

Your entirely mythical WTC bombs rate as dirty in all three categories. They were small, they could only have been fission based and they were actually worse than a ground burst, as you claim that at least one or more were actually underground.

The collapse of the World Trade Center towers created a massive dust cloud that swallowed all of lower Manhattan. If your nuclear fantasy was even remotely true, this cloud would have been highly radioactive.

The death toll would have been absolutely horrific. We would have seen 10,000 dead from radiation sickness just in the first week alone. By the two week mark, the majority of those who were in Manhattan would be dead or severely ill.

No seismic spikes, no 10,000 dead from radiation poisoning = no nukes.

Now do you understand why I always ask "Why do you claim to be a physicist?"

10:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

first of all i am not AP.
and secondly, what makes you think that AP was referring to fission bombs? certainly nuclear explosives have come a long way since fatman/little boy.
and the pyroclastic behavior of all that concrete dust cloud could only be a result of very great heat, not to mention the very great heat that lingered underground for months (china syndrome, as witnessed and reported by a lot of responders).
you focus only on radiation induced cancers as if that was the only tell, and as if 400+ in only 6 years is negligable. many more will occur for a very long time.

and third, if you know so much about physics then you know that if a REAL aluminum 767 with a plastic nosecone were to really strike a massive steel and concrete wtc with a force equivalent to X, then the massive steel/concrete wtc would also be striking the aluminum/plastic of a REAL 767 with the same force equivalent to X.

hit the road mr. sword_of_"science".

11:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Swart, you are quite a joke and a retard.

Before getting into what a nuclear bomb would yield, why don't you first enroll in 2nd grade, so you would learn how to even spell the word, yield. Twice you have it as yeild.

Your "Nuclear Physics" exposition isn't worthy of a reply, ignoramus.

And my articles have addressed the radiation issue, and the time delay, as found with Hiroshima, Nagasaki and even Chernobyl survivors.


The truth is over 400 cancer radiation victims within 5-6 years or so is indicative of radiation deaths that will likely supercede 10,000, based on the extrapolations I have done. It doesn't happen overnight as I have addressed in my articles and comments previously, and as the anonymous commenter here rightly states.

And the 400 cancer victims is only among the responders. Many of us know people in NYC who have gotten cancer, that have no family history, and should not have gotten cancer. They are not being counted, but they are dying, swart/shill.

Anonymous Physicist

11:59 PM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

Wrong again, Anonymous Pieceofshit.

There would have been tens of thousands of deaths in the first two weeks. But that didn't happen.

No seismic spikes, no radiation poisoning = no nukes.

When it comes to issues of science, you're my bitch, AP.

Suck it down.

12:09 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

PS. Kinda of a shock to run into someone who actually knows his shit, isn't it? ;-)

12:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Learn to spell first, before trying to tackle some Physics, moron.

Lots of openings in first grade...

Anonymous Physicist

12:34 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Physics said...

That all you seem to be able to do is trash my spelling while avoiding my science is revealing.

Drives you crazy that I've handed your ass to you, doesn't it?

As long as were on the subject of radiation poisoning, you haven't found any statistically significant increases in birth defects in the NYC area as we would expect to see if there was a major radiation event on 9/11/2001, have you?

12:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are as delusional as you are stupid, wart.

What Physics?

1:16 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Physics said...

Well, ya know... since AP doesn't know anything about physics, someone else needs to step in and take over as this blogs official scientific advisor.

Frankly, I don't see anyone around here more qualified than ME.

1:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They don't teach Physics in first grade, swart--clearly your highest grade.

And being delusional doesn't help you any.

1:54 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Physics said...

Why don't you ask Anonymous Fizzle-pissed if there were any fission by-products were found in the WTC dust cloud?

If his asinine rhetorical vomit is true, especially the part about multiple fizzled nukes then the people caught in the cloud would have been swimming in Tellurium-132, Cesium-137, Barium, Palladium, ruthenium and ruthenium-103 and of course lots of un-burned U-235 and Pu-239.

Unfortunately for your intellectual dough-boy, the scenario he's described would have made Manhattan a massive graveyard and probably uninhabitable for years if not decades.

He knows it and he knows I know it.

That's why he's got nothing but naem-calling and spelling errors to come back at me with. He's been out-scienced.

5:19 AM  
Blogger spooked said...

Take away the ridiculous attitude and puerile insults, and there is a semblance of a discussion here.

As far as radiation, I have always claimed that whatever nukes were used were primarily pure fusion, and it is reasonable to think that at this point of nuke development, a clean (pure) mini-fusion-nuke has been developed.

There is however, evidence for radiation, judged by the EPA cover-up of the air quality, the cleaning of the steel at ground zero, the incredible security at ground zero, the security associated with steel removed from ground zero (GPS trackers on truck hauling away the steel), the cancers seen in ground zero workers, and analysis of wtc dust showing rare elements. Of course, there were elevated levels of tritium at ground zero, and tritium is a sign of fusion.

Again, we're not talking about massive amounts of radioactivity widely distributed either.

The good thing is we're arguing more about signs of nukes-- how the wtc was blown up, rather than whether the wtc was blown up at all.

8:42 AM  
Blogger spooked said...

On the issue of radiation at the WTC, by the Anonymous Physicist.

8:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

still haven't received that lesson in physics yet from sword_of_high.
i do like the parts where he keeps throwing the word fission in there while ignoring the evidence of radiation and the incredible long-lasting heat (china syndrome).
way to go sword!

10:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is interesting to see Swart's last comment: about observing "of course lots of un-burned U-235 and Pu-239."

This is why there is no point in discussing anything with this troll, now claiming to be a swart of Science or Physics. Any uranium or plutonium was not there to "burn". It is nuclear reacting, not burning. The question should be "didn't undergo nuclear reactions." A "burning" atom releases energy on the order of 1 eV (1 electron Volt--a unit of energy) while a nuclear [fission or fusion] reacting nucleus releases energy on the order of 1 MeV (1 Million electron Volts).

My penultimate article of just about a week ago, went into Tahil's analysis of finding massive amounts of Barium and Strontium found in the dust at the WTC, (as well as the tritium.) And it went into the fact that the govt's testing either did not include Plutonium (it's not listed as being tested), or did test for it, and excluded it from the released data.

Always remember it's the perps doing the studies, or at least the perps control what is allowed to be released to the public.

But the point is this troll reads everything at this blog, and everything I have written here--clearly it's his assignment--and he just ignores what I have already written and writes jibberish all the time.

Another example, claiming Manhattan should have been evacuated--his following words from above, that any nukes should have left "Manhattan a massive graveyard and probably uninhabitable for years if not decades."

Now even Hiroshima and Nagasaki had its many surviving inhabitants remain in place, and the WTC nukes, I have written, were 100-1000X greater than the mini- or micro-nukes used inside the WTC buildings. Which were 4th or 5th generation [mini- or micro-] nukes designed to release much less radiation, if they didn't fizzle, as ones in the basements (and possibly elsewhere) did according to my assertions, resulting in the China Syndrome (of gnerating high heat and molten metal) which was not found at Hiroshima or Nagasaki, as those cities only had the one nuke which attained full criticality.

One sees on the web, the regime's shills saying, if we don't see the effects of [old types of] nukes that are a thousand times greater, then there were no nukes, when I addressed this issue in my very first nuke article, and this troll knows where they are archived.

But the regime's trolls just repeat the same lies, thrown in with foul insults. Now this delusionsal one believes he knows Physics or Science [disproved here], and wants to be "the Science officer of this blog." While that hasn't been my task, as Spooked is also a scientist, feel free to ask now, swart.

Anonymous Physicist

11:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Typo Correction:

Should have read "the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nukes, I have written, were 100-1000X greater than the mini- or micro-nukes used inside the WTC buildings."

Anonymous Physicist

11:20 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Physics said...

AP, neither you nor spooked are scientists nor anything even remotely approaching scientists.

You're the guys who believe the moon is an alien spaceship, that men never landed on it and the WTC was destroyed by magical non-radiation, non-shockwave producing nukes.

Your level of scientific illiteracy is appropriate for a guest shot on the Jerry Springer show and that's it.

2:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SOP you are beyond foolish and into the realm of deceptive.

4:12 PM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

It is interesting to see Swart's last comment: about observing "of course lots of un-burned U-235 and Pu-239."

This is why there is no point in discussing anything with this troll, now claiming to be a swart of Science or Physics. Any uranium or plutonium was not there to "burn". It is nuclear reacting, not burning. The question should be "didn't undergo nuclear reactions." A "burning" atom releases energy on the order of 1 eV (1 electron Volt--a unit of energy) while a nuclear [fission or fusion] reacting nucleus releases energy on the order of 1 MeV (1 Million electron Volts).


It was unfissioned plutonium that I was referring to.

Unfortunately, your scenario calls for a great deal of unfissioned plutonium to be found. To understand why, I need to teach you how nuclear weapons work.

Modern fission based weapons,usually of the implosion type, consist of a sphere of plutonium. Around this is a sphere of conventional explosives, there may also be a set of metal "lenses" between the explosives and the plutonium used to focus the force of the charges. When the weapon is detonated, the explosive charges must be precisely managed and there shock waves properly focused. If it works right, the plutonium is evenly compressed causing it to go critical. Yeild can be adjusted, to an extent, by how long and how hard the plutonium is compressed.

When implosion weapons fizzle, it usually from two things. First either there has been too much plutonium decay or what decay has occurred has been uneven. The second is that the explosive detonations were out of synch or the forces not precisely focused. When this occurs, the compression is uneven, you get too much force applied on one side and most of your fissile mass goes flying off to one side, cutting the chain reaction short.

AP, you have stated that there is likely several fizzled devices in the wreckage of the WTC. This means there will be lots of plutonium floating about in the dust cloud from the WTC.

If you had done just a little research before popping off you would have understood that I was right all along.

My penultimate article of just about a week ago, went into Tahil's analysis of finding massive amounts of Barium and Strontium found in the dust at the WTC, (as well as the tritium.) And it went into the fact that the govt's testing either did not include Plutonium (it's not listed as being tested), or did test for it, and excluded it from the released data.

Barium and stronium, but no ruthenium, palladium or tellurium or for that matter, the plutonium from the fizzled bombs.

And no, "they obviously didn't test for it" doesn't work. Scientists aren't allowed to make shit up.

Sorry charlie... no fission for you!

SpooKKKed -

it is reasonable to think that at this point of nuke development, a clean (pure) mini-fusion-nuke has been developed.

No it isn't. You're completely making shit up... just like you always do.

how the wtc was blown up, rather than whether the wtc was blown up at all.

The complete lack of seismic spikes means there was no conventional explosives either.

6:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Swart of insanity: you can't even copy things without repeating the same stupid error:

"Yeild can be adjusted, to an extent, by how long and how hard the plutonium is compressed."

It's yield, not yeild. As I said, there are plenty of openings in 2nd grade for you. You may well be a dumb kid with a computer!! If someone can't even copy something correctly, after being informed of his idiocy... well, enough said. I ALMOST feel sorry for you. You are either a young idiot, or based on some information, totally senile.

And I love your retarded statement, "Scientists aren't allowed to make shit up." What an imbecelic statement. You are at that computer day and night, and not in the real world.

It's your beloved gestapo regime that forces or rewards scum like you, including "scientists" to do their evil bidding.

Plutonium was not officially tested for--read the data moron.

Anonymous Physicist

9:10 PM  
Anonymous Sword of Physics said...

I left that spelling error in there as a backdoor for you to escape through without having to address my rock solid science.

It was a professional courtesy seeing as I'm a man of science and you're am man who knows how to spell "science".

11:13 PM  
Blogger spooked said...

You're the guys who believe the moon is an alien spaceship, that men never landed on it and the WTC was destroyed by magical non-radiation, non-shockwave producing nukes.

I never said the moon was an alien space-ship.

I have claimed that the moon landings were a hoax, as that is what the evidence points to.

I never said the WTC was destroyed by "non-radiation, non-shockwave producing nukes"-- that is your distorted interpretation of the theory. What you don't seem to get through your head is that there was relatively little radiation involved with the weapons that were used, and this radiation would not lead to widespread radiation poisoning.

The fizzled nukes would have been buried under tons of rubble, and thus would not be releasing large amounts of radiation or nuclear fission by-products into the air.

Again, it is totally reasonable to assume clean fusion nukes, given the advanced state of nuclear technology and that military technology is always ahead of civilian technology. If I had to guess I would say the clean nukes were used at the tops of the towers, to minimize how much radiation was spread out into lower manhattan in the dust cloud. I don't think the perps wanted to make lower manhattan a wasteland, and would have taken steps to minimize fallout. Stronger fission nukes may have been used to take the bases of the towers out.

The seismic data frankly is inconclusive as to nukes/demolition, due to the timing issue-- when exactly did the spikes start and was the timing manipulated at all.

There really is an abundance of evidence pointing to nukes, as described here. The issue of what exotic elements were found in WTC dust neither rules out nor rules in nukes.

An important point to remember is that the MOST OBVIOUS evidence pointing to nukes has surely been covered up, so we can only infer nukes through other more indirect evidence.

This is a serious business, we are not joking around here. If you want to refute nukes, you need to refute every piece of evidence that points to nukes. Even if you can refute each individual point, taken together, the evidence still makes nukes the best explanation for everything.

8:46 AM  
Anonymous Sword of Truth said...

The issue of what exotic elements were found in WTC dust neither rules out nor rules in nukes.

The fact that there were no seismic spikes recorded, nor were there any signs of radiation does rule out nukes.

The lack of fission by-products is just more evidence you don't have.

Buh bye.

6:32 PM  
Blogger spooked said...

SOT--

You're wrong again. Re-read my last comment please. You haven't rebutted anything.

6:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yet again SOT claims that seismic spikes of 2.3 and 2.1 richter were not measured and recorded when they certainly were.

9:36 AM  

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