The "Expertise" and "Sui Generis" Arguments for 9/11: Last Resort Bullshit for Shills
You have no expertise in these matters so you can't possibly understand these events, no matter what it looks like.
Plane crashes at high speed into the ground have never occurred before, so we have no idea what it should look like, no matter what it looks like.
A large plane has never crashed into the Pentagon before, so we have no idea what it should look like, no matter what it looks like.
Large planes have never crashed into steel framed buildings before, so we have no idea what it should look like, no matter what it looks like.
Large steel framed towers have never been hit by large jets before, so we should not be surprised they collapse-- and we have no idea what this should look like when they collapse-- but whatever way it looks is not surprising at all.
Plane crashes at high speed into the ground have never occurred before, so we have no idea what it should look like, no matter what it looks like.
A large plane has never crashed into the Pentagon before, so we have no idea what it should look like, no matter what it looks like.
Large planes have never crashed into steel framed buildings before, so we have no idea what it should look like, no matter what it looks like.
Large steel framed towers have never been hit by large jets before, so we should not be surprised they collapse-- and we have no idea what this should look like when they collapse-- but whatever way it looks is not surprising at all.
posted by spooked at 8:08 AM
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And your arguments against those statements are.....
Waiting....
Waiting.
*crickets*
Oh...wait!!!!! There IS an argument!
"Yer a shill!!!!"
And your arguments against those statements are.....
Please read everything I've written here for the past three years.
And I do mean EVERYTHING.
Then we can talk.
Thanks.
Why weren't helicopters sent up to rescue people in the WTC like Edna Cintron?
Why weren't helicopters sent up to rescue people in the WTC like Edna Cintron?
Good question.
Also, why didn't firemen try to catch any of the jumpers in nets or air bags?
The jumpers were a surprise - it's not like they were standing out on a ledge for an hour while people below chanted "jump, jump!"
They just appeared out of nowhere.
Someone later claimed that the doors to the roofs were locked but I don't see how anyone could know that after the fact.
Edna Cintron did not jump.
She stood waving right in that hole waiting to be rescued and proving to the cameras that there was no 767 there and no fires "hot enough to melt the steel" as the 9/11 commission would have us believe.
Why was no attempt made to rescue Edna and others? Simple.
Dead people can't testify that no plane crashed into the building they were in.
I don't know-- having nets or airbags would seem to be rather obvious standard operating procedure for a skyscraper fire.
Yes, some people jumped unexpectedly. But many people were standing by the windows, waiting waiting-- there are videos of this.
Did the wonderful NYFD do anything for these people?
Who would have given an order to not try to catch the jumpers?
Jesus. Are you really that stupid? Do you have any idea what terminal velocity is for a 200 lb object falling 700 to 1000 feet is? How in the hell are you going to catch a 200 lb object traveling at 120 to 150 mph? In a freaking NET? Are you kidding me? And you call yourself a "scientist"???? In an AIR BAG? What happens when the airbag deflates, as it is designed to do to absorb the impact, and the NEXT jumper right after the first one hits? How big is a freaking air bag? How many air bags or nets (Jesus Christ...I can't believe I have to point this shit out) would you have to erect to surround a 200' square skyscraper?
"Catch the jumpers"
This has got to be a joke.
You really continue to amaze me *each and every time* I check out this hilarious blog.
*each and every time* I check out this hilarious blog.
ya 1:14, way hilarious that someone would not only question the official fairytale, but would actually pick it to pieces from top to bottom, exposing the very many lies that are said official fairytale.
hilarious.
"Catch the jumpers"
This has got to be a joke.
Yeah! SO MUCH BETTER TO JUST LET THEM SMASH ONTO THE PAVEMENT!!!
Asswipe.
I mean really-- what kind of sadistic freak are you?
You don't even want to TRY to save someone's life?
I mean really.....what are you going to fucking do??????
You are going to put up a net. What are you going to do when when the fucking jumper bounces another 100 feet in the air when he hits the net? I asked before what are you going to do when a jumper hits an air bag and it deflates and one is smack dab right behind him?
There were over 200 jumpers, idiot.
And you are going to put up a net.
Jesus.
You know, sometimes you simply *can't* do anything, assholes. When a plane crashes, you *can't do anything*. You gonna try and catch that, too, Spooky?
You did know that a fireman outside the building died when he was hit by a jumper. Are YOU going to catch them? Ya gonna used a big butterfly net???
Gimme your plan, a PRACTICAL plan, diagram it, if you like, in your own special way, about how you would "catch" people jumping from a 1000 foot building. Come on, Mr Scientist. Don't just sit there and complain to ME about not even wanting to *try*!!!!! You're the rocket scientist who sits there and says "We'll catch them!" and gives me grief for not agreeing. So tell me - how the fuck are we going to catch 1,500 bodies (the number of trapped workers) falling at 125 or higher mph from a height of 700 to 1000 feet.
And what about those people who don't *fall* right or who fall in a streamlined manner, feet or head first and achieve a significantly higher terminal velocity of, say, 150 to 200 mph? What is your "net" rated for in terms of object weight and speed? Calculate, Mr Wizard, what potential energy a 200 lb body has traveling that speed.
And while you are at it, concerning a rooftop rescue, which of the 1,500 will be sent off first, how many helicopters will you use, who is going to coordinate the air situation, what are the air currents like in that situation (with the heat and smoke), what is the amount of risk you are willing to accept in sending a helicopter into that environment, how many helicopters are you willing to lose before that risk is too high and how many helicopters are available with trained rescue and/or rooftop-landing qualified pilots available on an hours notice and give me an estimate of time of how long it will take.
Another brilliant example of you not understanding an iota of what the fuck is going on here.
Well, there you have it. A justification, such as it is, for why
no attempt was made to rescue anyone who could testify that no plane crashed into the WTC building they were in.
BTW - did any of the victims make cell phone calls in which they claimed that they were trapped in a building that had just been hit by a huge jet?
Note: I realize that even if they DID, they wouldn't have been able to tell if one of Osama's boys was piloting it.
Well Edna's presence in the hole discounts both the fairytales of a 767 and a blazing steel melting inferno.
3:40 PM-- Yes, you're right. It was just so much better to let them smash into mush on the pavement and not even try to catch ANY of them. Why bother even trying a net or airbag because god knows they were falling faster than any human has ever ever fallen from a building.
And so much better not to potentially risk a helicopter to save someone.
Gotcha.
Spooky...the back-seat safety mogul once again embarks on a new area of expertise...airbags and nets....
pssst...the illuminatti told the firemen NOT to use them...
Yeah...let's try a net! Then we'll all have a great big laugh watching them bounce 75 feet in the air - one after another!
Or as they go *splat* as the "net" stretches like a too-long bungee cord. Spooky will be standing on the side saying "Oooops, but at least we tried something! Who cares if it was idiotic to try a "net" in the first place to catch a 200 lb body traveling at 125 to 150 mph! Its just like catching a butterfly!"
Those of us who know a little bit of the history behind some of the black operations our government has engaged in, are convinced that just as there are films of the JFK assassination and autopsy that have never been acknowledged, so too, high-resolution video/film surely exists not only of the Pentagon events but also those at the WTC. The Naudet video is the limited hangout option.
If the JFK assassination and the 9/11 events happened in the manner we were told they did, the Government would have long ago released film/video proof of same.
Air rescue cushions exist that are designed for falls from extreme heights. I don't know why the NYFD wouldn't have these-- given the abundance of tall bldgs in Manhattan.
"Air rescue cushions"
Do you even research the idiocy you put on here? The LA Fire Department has air rescue cushions - they are rated to 70 and 100 feet.
70 and 100 feet.
That's 7 and 10 stories.
What were we talking about in NYC? Oh....around 700 and 1000 feet.
700 and 1000 feet.
That's 70 and 100 stories.
Not only would it have been hopeless to have "air rescue cushions" at the WTC, it would have given everyone an extreme false hope of survival thinking that thing would protect them in a fall from 700 feet. In addition, people were jumping out of desperation and from the fires - you think they are going to wait until its their turn to jump? Who was going to coordinate "who" jumps next?
More brilliance from the Spookmeister.
You guys are fucking unreal.
I don't quite understand why you're jumping (no pun intended) all over this.
I will grant you that such cushions probably were not designed for such extreme heights as at the WTC-- though you might think the NYFD would have bigger cushions than the LAFD given the many tall bldgs in NYC.
In any case, in an emergency situation as there was that day, can you rule out that a few cushions couldn't have saved a few lives?
I WILL delete any more obnoxious comments on this topic.
"In any case, in an emergency situation as there was that day, can you rule out that a few cushions couldn't have saved a few lives?"
I need Paris Hilton here to say
"Um.....ya!"
Don't post stupid ideas if you don't want obnoxious comments. Simple as that. You deserved them.
10:21 AM Shill
Your stupidity is exceeded only by your willingness to help sell lies to the entire world.
well, I would think the first thing to do would be to see is if the NYFD has air cushions that would help in a situation like this.
Given that I found a patent where someone designed an air cushion that would break a 300 foot fall, and given that the NYFD probably has more potential high-rise fires than anywhere else in the world, it is not so far-fetched to think they would have a device that would work.
Perhaps they have no such device, if so, that answers the original question. But a priori, there is nothing wrong with wondering if there any devices that could have been deployed.
A cushion for a 100 foot fall would allow completely safe landing, a higher fall onto the same cushion would probably cause significant injury but might save the person's life nonetheless.
Let's not forget the NYC window washer who fell almost 50 stories onto hard ground and survived-- and has a good chance of walking.
I will grant that there were various practical concerns about using an air cushion for a fall from the WTC, but I fail to see why it is stupid to even consider the idea.
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There is no such thing as a firefighting net or airbag that can be used by firefighters to "catch" people falling from 700-1000 feet. Simple high school level physics should give you a raging clue as to why this is so. The suggestion that such devices exist and the suggestion that such devices ought to have been employed on 9/11 are both ludicrous.
Nets: Picture, if you will, a group of firefighters on the ground holding a net at waist level or even shoulder level, attempting to catch someone falling from 700-1000 feet. Even assuming for the purposes of this fantasy that the falling person actually hits the target (although that is highly unlikely in itself), what does simple physics tell you about what is going to happen to the net, the firefighters and the falling person?
Airbags: Firefighters do use airbags for rescue and extrication purposes, but they are small, portable, specifically designed airbags that can be inflated to lift heavy objects in order to facilitate rescue. For instance, they'll be inflated in a void under a vehicle for purposes of lifting the vehicle for a brief period of time in order to rescue a person trapped underneath.
They are NOT gigantic pillows that span tens or hundreds of feet in length and width, and they are NOT capable of absorbing the impact of a falling body from a height of 700-1000 feet, even if the falling body happened to land on it (which, in itself, is highly unlikely, even if anyone was crazy enough to suggest that someone try to jump from 700-1000 feet on to one).
A little reality is in order here, and it appears that you are not terribly familiar with it.
Fireman on a bullhorn: "Jump! We'll catch you in our net!"
Trapped Worker: "You'll WHAT???"
More brilliant suggestions from the Spookmeister.
hey Spooky! Can you get rid of that damn word verification? It sucks and it won't stop me anyway.
Simple high school level physics should give you a raging clue as to why this is so.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Neither Spooked nor Anonymous Fizzle-pissed have any education, training or experience in the sciences. Certainly not college or university and there is substantial reason to believe that they haven't taken any science based classes in high school as well.
Their scientific knowledge is approximately what one gets from watching "Super-Friends" or "GI Joe " cartoons.
"You guys are fucking unreal."
Sayeth the Troooother™
"I don't quite understand why you're jumping (no pun intended) all over this."
Becaue it's a level of stupidity never seen before in this universe. It's like you entered this universe through a wormhole connecting to the stupid universe.
"I will grant you that such cushions probably were not designed for such extreme heights as at the WTC--"
Gee, thanks
"....though you might think the NYFD would have bigger cushions than the LAFD given the many tall bldgs in NYC."
Becasue, ya know, they're still using adobe huts in Los Angeles.
"In any case, in an emergency situation as there was that day, can you rule out that a few cushions couldn't have saved a few lives?"
Yes you can, because, you see, it's a physical impossibility.
Spooked,
I've asked your parents to restrict your use of the computer to doing your homework.
"Also, why didn't firemen try to catch any of the jumpers in nets or air bags?"
Literally the dumbest thing I have ever read. And I teach remedial history.
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