Does It Matter How the WTC Was Destroyed?
Yes, it certainly matters if nukes were used, which I think was indeed the case. Nuking clearly matters for the responders and other victims who would have been exposed to the radiation. Perhaps more importantly though is the psychological impact of the idea that the American regime could nuke its own citizens. I think that nuking is far more nasty and evil than just blowing up a building with C4 or somehow taking it down with thermite. DEW just seems like a joke. So yes, I agree with A.P. on this important point-- that it is important that the WTC was nuked.
On the other hand, even the nuking of the WTC, in a sense, pales in comparison to the state of affairs in this country-- how criminal the media and politicians have been, and how clueless the American people have been about 9/11. Yes, the nuking of the WTC is horrible, but how to EVER communicate this to enough people to really make a difference???
If two giant buildings in the largest US city are nuked, and the media doesn't report it, did it ever really happen?
So far, it seems like the answer is NO.
On the other hand, even the nuking of the WTC, in a sense, pales in comparison to the state of affairs in this country-- how criminal the media and politicians have been, and how clueless the American people have been about 9/11. Yes, the nuking of the WTC is horrible, but how to EVER communicate this to enough people to really make a difference???
If two giant buildings in the largest US city are nuked, and the media doesn't report it, did it ever really happen?
So far, it seems like the answer is NO.
posted by spooked at 9:47 PM
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state of affairs in this country-- how criminal the media and politicians have been,
two giant buildings in the largest US city are nuked, and the media doesn't report it,
it is not just "the media" - it is ALL the media - after i realized that 9/11 was a hoax i sent countless letters/emails to every newspaper around me, from local rags to national rags.
without fail, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM to this day has refused to even allow discussion of 9/11, not even to refute any of my observations.
how is it that even small local papers are cowed by the PTB?
There are many other aspects RE those who desperately claim "it doesn't matter" if the Regime destroyed the WTC with nukes or anything else.
1. It helps prove that it couldn't have been "Al Qaeda" (Al-CIA-Duh,)
2. The vast majority of the time, those saying that are intel assets who desperately don't want the Masses to learn that their regime nuked their own citizens, and that they could be next. In other words, those saying that are saying that BECAUSE THEY KNOW DAMN WELL THAT IT DOES MATTER--and that is part of their Op-Plan!
3. It is NOT even the first time the US regime nuked its own citizens. See my review of the Port Chicago nuking of that town in California in 1944, and how the US regime sacrificed hundreds of its own sailors and others, and how that area has been a hotbed of cancer ever since.
4. Who isn't horrified over getting Hiroshima-ed? If you were alive then, recall the immense fear of being nuked in the 1950's and 1960's. Anyone who says it doesn't matter is likely lying or not playing with a full deck. Mostly the former.
5. It, and the resultant China Syndrome, are IMO the most important things in the 9/11 matter. That's why most of their assets say "it doesn't matter."
6. Even who may have been the first bogus 9/11 "researcher," Mike Ruppert, in his Portland speech acutally said, "Let's not examine what happened to the towers, let's just see what Brezinski said in his book 10 years ago." (Or words to that effect.) That from a detective!
7. Clearly the Op-Plan has been to deny the nuking and the China Syndrome. The effort they put into this is large and clear. They got their lying engineers, and the DEW nutters, to deny that there was ever any heat in the rubble pile--let alone for 6 months until the fission fragments were carted away. There is a reason the nuking and the CSA must be perennially denied. The people's great fear of RADIATION exposure is one reason.
8. Another proof that it matters is the following. So many people in New York City bought Geiger Counters after 9/11/01, that the NYC govt has tried to ban their use in NYC! Think on that.
Anonymous Physicist
Note that my review and thoughts on the Regime's nuking of Port Chicago, in N. Cal., is here:
http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2008/06/was-first-atomic-bomb-in-modern-times.html
Note also that after my article came out, the website--up for years--that had that book freely downloadable was abandoned!
Anonymous Physicist
No, nuke or non-nuke doesn't matter.
The lack of planes does matter because it implicates the media.
But nukes would implicate the military, yet we already know the military was involved. That's why the nukes issue is superfluous, it doesn't add any revelation to the conspiracy beyond what we already figured out.
Now answer these point by point:
There are many other aspects RE those who desperately claim "it doesn't matter" if the Regime destroyed the WTC with nukes or anything else.
1. It helps prove that it couldn't have been "Al Qaeda" (Al-CIA-Duh,)
2. The vast majority of the time, those saying that are intel assets who desperately don't want the Masses to learn that their regime nuked their own citizens, and that they could be next. In other words, those saying that are saying that BECAUSE THEY KNOW DAMN WELL THAT IT DOES MATTER--and that is part of their Op-Plan!
3. It is NOT even the first time the US regime nuked its own citizens. See my review of the Port Chicago nuking of that town in California in 1944, and how the US regime sacrificed hundreds of its own sailors and others, and how that area has been a hotbed of cancer ever since.
4. Who isn't horrified over getting Hiroshima-ed? If you were alive then, recall the immense fear of being nuked in the 1950's and 1960's. Anyone who says it doesn't matter is likely lying or not playing with a full deck. Mostly the former.
5. It, and the resultant China Syndrome, are IMO the most important things in the 9/11 matter. That's why most of their assets say "it doesn't matter."
6. Even who may have been the first bogus 9/11 "researcher," Mike Ruppert, in his Portland speech acutally said, "Let's not examine what happened to the towers, let's just see what Brezinski said in his book 10 years ago." (Or words to that effect.) That from a detective!
7. Clearly the Op-Plan has been to deny the nuking and the China Syndrome. The effort they put into this is large and clear. They got their lying engineers, and the DEW nutters, to deny that there was ever any heat in the rubble pile--let alone for 6 months until the fission fragments were carted away. There is a reason the nuking and the CSA must be perennially denied. The people's great fear of RADIATION exposure is one reason.
8. Another proof that it matters is the following. So many people in New York City bought Geiger Counters after 9/11/01, that the NYC govt has tried to ban their use in NYC! Think on that.
Anonymous Physicist
And add this one to what you must specifically address:
9. It obviously mattered to the regime, and that's why they felt compelled to create ludicrous Limited Hangouts of DEW and thermite.
And furthermore, as I pointed out years ago. They also made sure to couple the most ludicrous, of the hangouts (DEW) to the NPT from the beginning.
And still furthermore, anyone who thinks that TV fakery or MSM being an organ of the regime is a new phenomenon is either lying or very ignorant of the real history of this country. The MSM was always an organ of the regime, always controlled by the secret societies and military intel before there was an FBI or CIA. It's just more obvious and blatant now.
How many people want to revolt because the Apollo Program was only a TV program?
TV fakery I have always said is an important issue, but pales in comparison to the importance of the nuking of thousands of citizens by their own regime and the China Syndrome being created in the midst of millions.
A.P.
it is not just "the media" - it is ALL the media - after i realized that 9/11 was a hoax i sent countless letters/emails to every newspaper around me, from local rags to national rags.
without fail, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM to this day has refused to even allow discussion of 9/11, not even to refute any of my observations.
how is it that even small local papers are cowed by the PTB?
This is a good question. But clearly they are controlled, no?
It seems that all the members of the media, in control at least, have been brainwashed if they aren't pure intel. Others may know but are too scared to speak out, as they know they will lose their jobs etc. I got an email a couple of months back from a guy--- he had a blog that he linked to and he clearly suffered from severe paranoia-- but he said he used to work for a small newspaper and wrote about the JFK assn. And then he was harrassed out of the business. Any sort of mass media, as well as major blogs I imagine, must be heavily controlled by the PTB, somehow. Control of information really is key for these evil fucks, and so I imagine they put a lot of effort into controlling the media.
This is a good piece (peace) from spooked. Puts it in perspective.
When some of us state that it does not matter, this is philosophical, and compared to the global state of humanity. It is like, if humanity were to survive, how would it be graded in 500 years.
The behavior of the US citizens with regard to 9/11 is so revealing. The final test, and they failed.
True, seems certainly nukes. One of the reasons (meaning good sense) why some of us visit, almost exclusively, spooked (AP), Ace, and Morgan Reynolds.
Was scary after WWII, a pall, thanks to the perpetual war mongers. Should have called a halt with the P-38 and P-52. So we still have the Spitfire, Sea Fury, the Zero, and the Messerschmidt 109.
(Was aboard the HMS Glory, in the China Sea, which had the Sea Fury. And the USS Maddox of Vietnam fame, was a sister ship in my Destroyer division.)
Google "The FBI uses polygraphs to eliminate suspects"
9/11 nukes doesn't matter:
1. We already know al qaeda is CIA.
2. False-flag terrorism includes all types of bombings.
3. So?
4. Sudden death is horrifying, by any explosive.
5. If the weapon (NB or C) was military grade, then it was state sponsored, and that is all that matters.
6. Stop wasting people's time with diversions.
7. People fear all forms of death, not just nuclear.
8. We already know local government was in on it. You add nothing.
9. Nuke or Thermite is irrelevant - both indicate inside job, both indicate government.
Arguing over mininukes muddies the water and adds nothing.
You think people are more likely to "revolt" (as if that was a good idea, which it isn't) over mininukes than thermite?
This is wrong because you will be seen as speculative, asserting things you can't prove, and focusing attention on an issue that actually makes no difference in understanding what happened. This will lead to confusion, and make people more likely to do nothing whatsoever.
Drop the "nuke" issue: it doesn't matter.
Thanks for your comment DrTom, but the thing is, one could say that about almost any conspiracy issue, including the issue of demolition of the WTC. The water is plenty muddied, every way you look. Which clearly is part of the plan. But as we've pointed out here, the evidence for nukes is very strong and is the best explanation overall.
As was pointed out above, Mike Ruppert early said to ignore the WTC as it is a distraction. People such as Ruppert and Jeff Wells have claimed that we shouldn't focus on any physical evidence but only concentrate on the plotline and foreknowledge. Everything is potentially a distraction.
I happen to think the specific mechanisms they used for 9/11 is important and interesting.
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“Dr. Tom” [ laugh] sure “sounds” like “Dr. Babs” the med tech intel entity that was a die-hard DEW supporter.
The so-called responses above are mostly lies and non-answers, or else they prove the point against her.
Her #1 “We already know al qaeda is CIA.” No, we are talking about what the Masses know, not you “Dr. Blabs.” And ONLY nukes prove it wasn’t an alleged group of Arabs because the Regime has stated they don’t have nukes!
Likewise #2 above, “ False-flag terrorism includes all types of bombings.” This is stupid as we are again talking about a specific group stated NOT to have nukes. Again this reply proves the point against her.
#3. “So” is not an answer. Maybe a space filler to her masters in Langley or London, but no answer.
#4. “Sudden death is horrifying, by any explosive.” TNT e.g. has been around for hundreds of years, it didn’t get the whole world in an hysteric state, as nukes did in the 1950’s and 1960’s. So another poppycock non-answer.
#5. “If the weapon (NB or C) was military grade, then it was state sponsored, and that is all that matters.” Now here note the big IF!!!!
Here she PROVES THIS MATTER AGAINST HERSELF. Only nukes on its face proves “military grade,” anything else is easily obtainable—such as thermite.
#6. Look in the mirror for the diversion here.
#7. Her answer again is a rehashing. See my #4, just above.
#8. Once again did not at all address the point of the citizens in NYC getting Geiger counters and the govt’s attempted response.
#9.” Nuke or Thermite is irrelevant.”
Note that that is the same as Mike Ruppert’s very first Portland talk. The former LAPD detective actually stated, “let’s not investigate how the towers came down, it doesn’t matter, let’s just see what Breszinski wrote in his book about Eurasia.”
Her #9 is merely asserting what she was supposed to prove!
My #9 was “ It obviously mattered to the regime, and that's why they felt compelled to create ludicrous Limited Hangouts of DEW and thermite.”
Added now: And why the regime’s intel assets are paid to come here and post the above palaver.
And intel filth, it matters to millions of people as the China Syndrome Aftermath continues to cause cancer in the 40,000 responders and millions of local Metro NY area residents!
This fact, of course does not matter to an intel agent ordered and paid to post drivel here, but it matters to millions of NY metro residents and to the rest of the country and the world if they could only be informed of the nuking of the WTC on 9/11 and the China Syndrome Aftermath.
Anonymous Physicist
the evidence for nukes is very strong and is the best explanation overall
i agree. but that shouldn't mean that anyone who fails to firmly assert that nukes were the mechanism for wtc destruction is some kind of intel filth, which lately seems to be the case. (A.P.)
I happen to think the specific mechanisms they used for 9/11 is important and interesting
i do too and i have been checking out 9/11 since '03 when i realized that there was no way that a 757 hit the pentagon.
however, just because i might occasionally point out various israeli atrocities/influence without also pointing out some kind of freemason/jesuit influence doesn't mean that i am an anti-semite nor an intel filth.
i resent the implication and so does my wife who happens to be jewish.
so far A.P. has managed to refer to nickname, engineer, myself (james ha), killtown and even rick siegel as intel filths.
give it a rest already A.P. - not everyone is some kind of agent.
ha.
No h, like you I was hopefully joking. And I think you are merely a Jew-counting himbecile.
But your gleefully accepting the joining of yourself with one of those perps who has admitted his involvement in the assassination of President Kennedy and the subsequent cover-up is very telling!
With "truthers" like you,who needs enemies!
And the very statemento so those you cited hang them out to dry. That you join with them is very telling. It's easy to prove. Some people make everything very personal.
Try to counter this jerks Jew-counting crap, and he then sides with the perps ever more.
As above, with "truthers" like you, who needs enemies.
Himbecile do you remember anytime where the PTB didn't have several intel filth here?!
Who do you think replaced "sword" et al?
Stop counting and start thinking. Learn who your real enemies are. (Your new buddies.) Wake up. And you give it a rest. Or get a brain transplant.
Who do you think replaced "sword" et al?
i think probably you did moron.
A very good Ed Ward piece on New York Conspiracy TV:
http://www.nyctv.com/us_government_usage_of_atomic_bombs_in_nyc.htm
He cites a DOE release of classified documents that states that small 30 inch thermonuclear demolition nukes can be had for your next urban renewal project from the Atomic Energy Commission.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/rdd-7.html
This release also points out how tritium is such a big part of the U.S. nuclear program.
I always appreciated how Ed Ward point blank exposed Dr. Jones for how he created disinformation regarding the elevated tritium levels.
If you want to see what blood cancers feel like when they start, park your car at the dock in Newark, New Jersey for about 14 hours. The dump of the radioactive material is just a few miles away on Staten Island at the Freshkills Dump.
There is no freedom of the press, there are no chances to have one's vote counted fairly. "How I learned to stop worrying and to love the (bomb)fascism".
Google "Many Small Fission Nukes at the WTC"
12:53:
The problem with claiming that thermonuclear bombs were used is that they have too large a yield, and this was not desired and not needed.
And I have pointed out that if there was tritium there, it could have been created from a pure fission bomb. It is called ternary fission and you can search on that at this blog by using the search function on the right here.
Also thought that at times Ward went with the Finnish military expert who claimed that "4th generation" pure fusion was used. This I have asserted may be deliberate disinformation, as pure fusion would not allow for the China Syndrome, which did occur, and which the Regime wishes to hide at all costs.
But pure fission bombs are simpler, more dependable, able to be made smaller in both physical dimensions, and yield.
And they do create some tritium--and the China Syndrome, as they only use up 1-6% of their fissile material. The remainder of fissioning fragments ended up in many places in the rubble pile and deep underneath WTC 1,2, 7--based on where their "mother bombs" were when they went off or were fratricided.
Anonymous Physicist
In the declassified doe document that Ed Ward cited, if you read it, states the existence of the ability to have greatly reduced radiation output in thermo nuclear devices, ie, small fission trigger of a combination of light hydrogen fuel.
Also, the same paper cites the widespread use of tritium as a booster for otherwise non nuclear bombs.
I did read or peruse those urls.
In my comment just above, it was not less radiation I was referring to. It was the absolute need not to have a large blast for the obvious reasons. I know neutron bombs can have less blast and more neutron yield.
I still see no need for a more complicated weapon, the neutron bomb still needs a fission explosion to trigger it. It is a 2-stage weapon.
Also a single stage weapon is always more dependable as to expected yield. And significant blast obviously did occur in the WTC towers.
I believe your, "Also, the same paper cites the widespread use of tritium as a booster for otherwise non nuclear bombs." is erroneus.
My reading of that section clearly means it was about tritium boosting for nuclear weapons. The word "nuclear" may have been left out of a sentence, but that was done because the whole discussion was about tritium boosting for nukes.
I was not able to find any reference where tritium is specifically and explicitly cited as used for non-nuclear bomb boosting, so please send that if you can.
A.P.
And when I wrote "any references" I was referring to an internet search.
All references to tritium boosting that I could google, said it was for nukes. Nothing non-nuclear, which was my understanding. And not either in that url, as I read and interpret it; it is implicit.
But I'd be happy to learn something new, if you can find explicit proof of this. (And not counting "dirty" weapons which are irrelevant here.)
A.P.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/rdd-7.html
The fact of boosting, the fact that deuterium and tritium are used as boosting fuels in High Explosive Assembly weapons and that they are contained in components known as reservoirs or cartridges which are shipped between the Savannah River Plant and the AEC weapon facilities, the military and the United Kingdom. (72-11)
1. Fact that gaseous deuterium (D) and tritium (T) are used as boosting fuel. (83-2)
Mere existence of the phenomenon of predetonation. (56-3)
# The fact that, in thermonuclear weapons, radiation from a fission explosive can be contained and used to transfer energy to compress and ignite a physically separate component containing thermonuclear fuel. (79-2)
Note: Any elaboration of this statement will be classified.
# Fact that fissile and/or fissionable materials are present in some secondaries, material unidentified, location unspecified, use unspecified, and weapons undesignated. (91-1)
# Minimum Residual Radiation (MRR) Weapons
1. The fact that we are interested in and are continuing studies on a weapon for minimizing the emerging flux of neutrons and internal induced activity. (67-1)
2. The fact of weapon laboratory interest in MRR devices. (76-3)
3. The fact of successful development of MRR devices. (76-3)
Nuclear Directed Energy Weapons (NDEW)
1. The fact that DOE weapon laboratories are engaged in a research program to explore the feasibility of a nuclear explosive driven directed energy weapon. (82-2)
2. The fact that research is being conducted on the specific concept of a nuclear pumped X-ray laser. (82-2)
3. The fact that the DOE is interested in or conducting research on NDEW concepts of certain specified generic types of output; i.e., visible light, microwaves, charged particles, kinetic energy. (85-4)
4. The fact that underground tests at the Nevada Test Site have been and are a part of the NDEW research program. (85-4)
5. The fact that a specified NDEW could engage multiple targets by using multiple beams from a single platform and hence is a high leverage system. (85-4)
6. The fact that an NDEW could have lethal ranges of thousands of kilometers. (85-4)
7. The fact that a kill mechanism for an x-ray laser is ablative shock. (85-4)
B. THE PLOWSHARE PROGRAM
1. Mere fact that the U.S. has developed atomic munitions suitable for use in demolition work. (58-8)
2. The cost of fabricating and firing a device 30" in diameter and of a few kt yield, all from fission, would approximate $500,000 when made available in small numbers. (58-9)
3. The cost of fabricating and firing a device 30" in diameter of a few 10's of kt yield, all from fission, would approximate $750,000 when made available in small numbers.
Sorry for all the cut and paste. I just figured out how do it for the first time. Everything above are copied excerpts from the doe paper. Anonymous Physicist is right on his two major points:
High Energy Explosive boosting refers to the explosives involved in nuclear device, not a conventional device, my bad.
And it does seem that low yield, low radiation devices available would probable be fission devices, as indicated by the operation ploughshare "menu".
I included the section on DEW because I thought you might find it interesting.
Well the piece you just posted contains "NDEW" not "DEW."
And NDEW is really the focusing of the yield of nuclear bombs.
As far as "DEW" on 9/11 at the WTC, the proponent of that (non-)hypothesis and Limited Hangout stated that her "DEW" was NOT nuclear, and was never hot, nor left anything that was hot (China Syndrome) at the WTC.
So the alleged DEW of a 9/11 intel hangout, and the NDEW of the above piece are very different.
One's nuclear and the other--well that was just baby talk, and pretty pictures (of nuclear matters trying to be obfuscated).
Anonymous Physicist
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