Wings and the South Tower Entry Hole
Somewhat ironic: the WTC1 hit had only one crappy video of the attack but has lots of good high-res pictures of the hole, whereas the WTC2 hit has lots of "good" videos of the attack and only a couple of pictures of the hole.
This makes some sense, though. If we assume, as I do, that the South tower hit was fake, it stands to reason that the planners and cover-up operatives wouldn't want people looking too closely at the south tower entry hole.
As it is, even FEMA couldn't do a very good job of lining up a 767 with the hole:
(double click to enlarge)(labels on photo are mine; yellow numbers are floors, "engine" refers to putative engine entry holes)
As you can see, it is not at all clear how the starboard engine entered, and even the port engine is partially blocked. You might try to move the plane over to the left to fit the engines better, yet this presents severe problems with getting the fuselage in. The port wing root is also blocked, and there is a HUGE mass of debris blocking where the starboard wing root and fuselage entered-- one would think this debris would be shoved out of the way as the plane rammed into the building at 500-600 mph.
So even what we can see presents problems.
(There is also the problem that in general, a large powerful object smashing into a wall is not going to leave a perfect silhouette of itself behind, ala cartoon such as Roadrunner. The object will tend to create a BIGGER hole than itself-- but NOT a perfect outline, unless it is so powerful that it rips right through the entire building intact. So the fact that the fuselage and engines don't fit in the hole seen in the south tower presents REAL problems.)
But let's concentrate on the wings.
In the north tower hit, according to the video, the plane went in and seemed to explode upon impact, and even the wings seemingly exploded*-- quite a bit different than what happened with the south tower.
Thus according to multiple videos, the south tower plane glided into the tower without slowing or exploding upon impact. If the videos are to be believed (and as the "official record" they at least need to be explained), the plane's wings smoothly entered the wall without breaking off, without exploding and without even any distortion.
It is hard to see what exactly the wings did to the columns because of the lack of resolution in the pictures. However, according to the videos, the wings did not explode, despite having full fuel tanks in them that should have broken open if the wings were damaged upon impacting the array of 13/16th inch steel columns AND several floor slabs (each made of concrete slabs, steel trusses and thick steel spandrels.
This only leaves two possibilities:
1) the wings cut through the array of 13/16th inch steel columns without being damaged
2) the videos are faked
Now, who out there believes that aluminum wings cut through a couple dozen 13/16th inch steel columns without breaking?
REALLY, WHO OUT THERE BELIEVES THIS???
(and how much does anyone want to bet Pinch will run away from this question?)
*Curiously, one might expect the south tower columns, made of thicker steel (as they were further down on the building and had to support more weight), to cause the second plane's wings to explode. However, seemingly the north tower's thinner steel columns caused the plane's wings to explode.
This makes some sense, though. If we assume, as I do, that the South tower hit was fake, it stands to reason that the planners and cover-up operatives wouldn't want people looking too closely at the south tower entry hole.
As it is, even FEMA couldn't do a very good job of lining up a 767 with the hole:
(double click to enlarge)(labels on photo are mine; yellow numbers are floors, "engine" refers to putative engine entry holes)
As you can see, it is not at all clear how the starboard engine entered, and even the port engine is partially blocked. You might try to move the plane over to the left to fit the engines better, yet this presents severe problems with getting the fuselage in. The port wing root is also blocked, and there is a HUGE mass of debris blocking where the starboard wing root and fuselage entered-- one would think this debris would be shoved out of the way as the plane rammed into the building at 500-600 mph.
So even what we can see presents problems.
(There is also the problem that in general, a large powerful object smashing into a wall is not going to leave a perfect silhouette of itself behind, ala cartoon such as Roadrunner. The object will tend to create a BIGGER hole than itself-- but NOT a perfect outline, unless it is so powerful that it rips right through the entire building intact. So the fact that the fuselage and engines don't fit in the hole seen in the south tower presents REAL problems.)
But let's concentrate on the wings.
In the north tower hit, according to the video, the plane went in and seemed to explode upon impact, and even the wings seemingly exploded*-- quite a bit different than what happened with the south tower.
Thus according to multiple videos, the south tower plane glided into the tower without slowing or exploding upon impact. If the videos are to be believed (and as the "official record" they at least need to be explained), the plane's wings smoothly entered the wall without breaking off, without exploding and without even any distortion.
It is hard to see what exactly the wings did to the columns because of the lack of resolution in the pictures. However, according to the videos, the wings did not explode, despite having full fuel tanks in them that should have broken open if the wings were damaged upon impacting the array of 13/16th inch steel columns AND several floor slabs (each made of concrete slabs, steel trusses and thick steel spandrels.
This only leaves two possibilities:
1) the wings cut through the array of 13/16th inch steel columns without being damaged
2) the videos are faked
Now, who out there believes that aluminum wings cut through a couple dozen 13/16th inch steel columns without breaking?
REALLY, WHO OUT THERE BELIEVES THIS???
(and how much does anyone want to bet Pinch will run away from this question?)
*Curiously, one might expect the south tower columns, made of thicker steel (as they were further down on the building and had to support more weight), to cause the second plane's wings to explode. However, seemingly the north tower's thinner steel columns caused the plane's wings to explode.
posted by spooked at 8:49 AM
5 Comments:
Run away from what? Your inability to comprehend the random events that can and do occur as part of a plane crash? The fact that you are a paranoid lunatic? Run away from *what*?
Take a look at the C-5 crash at Dover. Why didn't that burn? It had just taken off - loaded to the gills with fuel for a translant flight to Portugal.
Any child can take a look at a complex event and not understand it. Your problem is that you take both WTC impacts and assume the exact same set of parameters were present for both, which is about as foolish a position that one can take. Everyone knows you never *ever* assume anything at a crash site. You have absolutely no clue what differences the impact dynamics were for the two aircraft. You have absolutely no training nor experience in anything even remotely related to aerodynamics. You conjure up these utterly infantile "experiments" and claim to the world that you have solved the mysteries! If anyone ever needed a reason to keep sharp objects and computers away from some people, you are the poster child for that.
There would be any NUMBER of reasons for any NUMBER of discrepancy in the two impacts and resultant damage. Fuel distribution in the aircraft - was the majority of fuel in wing tanks or fuselage tanks? Fuel transfer selection can be based on any NUMBER of criteria and there could have been a difference in the way the aircrew set up fuel transfer for their individual flights. Do you *know* anything about this? The north tower impact covered 7 floors while the south tower impact covered 9 floors. The north impact could have very well hit more head-on into a concrete floor slab while the south tower impact was more distributed across more floors. Do you *know* anything about the aerodynamic factors of precisely how the aircraft hit? Perhaps you can do another experiment, this time with a lego airplane and a used cardboard refrigerator box. Or perhaps you can take a cucumber and shove it into a book case. Or take a lemon meringue pie and cram it into a car exhaust pipe. Your results would no doubt feed your paranoia and match your other confirmations.
You are really an idiot.
Man, you sure seem to like to write a lot of fancy words there. I don't know why you bother to try to impress an idiot like me.
Anyway, thanks for not answering the question, Pinch!
Utterly AMAZING that someone could use up that many words, and STILL end up saying absolutely nothing of substance!
Just more juvenile insults...as the norm with our resident Shills..
GREAT work pinch! :-)
Your a credit to every non-thinking, blindly Government-obiedent Sheeple everywhere! hehe
I GUESS, if you read between the lines there, old Pinch is saying the wings WERE damaged when the plane hit, but that somehow that damage neither affected the ability of the wings to enter the building nor did it allow any release of fuel (I seriously doubt all the fuel was in the center tank, I had read that was typically the reserve tank-- and in any case if officially the plane had a full fuel load, a significant amount must have been in the wing tanks).
wow pinch, quite a vocabulary lesson you gave there! I believe though, that this was the question:
Now, who out there believes that aluminum wings cut through a couple dozen 13/16th inch steel columns without breaking?
for all of the ridicule that pinch invariably doles out, he has not once ever said that there is nothing fishy going on with 911 - he's never said that the 175/south impact looks like a real aluminum plane slamming into a steel tower - all he has ever done is ridicule and distract -
pinch, you truly deserve a promotion and a substantial raise in pay - others could learn much from your fine example!
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