Flight Simulator Modeling, Part 2: Someone Faked The Fucking Videos
The "CNN wide shot" of the 2nd plane:
I then tried to match the "CNN wide shot" using Flight Simulator and the tower view feature. This time the match is quite close:
Then, keeping the plane in the same exact place, I moved the Flight Simulator "tower view camera" to the angle in this shot:
Now the plane position is NOT EVEN CLOSE:
This is the video clip from which the 2nd video screen shot was taken:
The plane stays close to the towers and is NEVER that far out in this "blue" clip.
The clip of the "CNN wide shot" can be seen here.
Note: Post updated later in the evening with better views of "blue" video.
I then tried to match the "CNN wide shot" using Flight Simulator and the tower view feature. This time the match is quite close:
Then, keeping the plane in the same exact place, I moved the Flight Simulator "tower view camera" to the angle in this shot:
Now the plane position is NOT EVEN CLOSE:
This is the video clip from which the 2nd video screen shot was taken:
The plane stays close to the towers and is NEVER that far out in this "blue" clip.
The clip of the "CNN wide shot" can be seen here.
Note: Post updated later in the evening with better views of "blue" video.
posted by spooked at 6:38 PM
16 Comments:
how are you matching the camera position in flight sim with the position in the blueplane footage? are you going by the angle the twin towers are at? (faces of the rectangles, so to speak) i don't see any other reference buildings in the blueplane footage.
that really is quite a difference -
Yes, I was going primarily by the tower angle, Shep-- though you can see buildings to the right of the towers in another version of the clip--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCsnja4PPeU
which helped nail down the precise angle.
I updated the post with better views of the 2nd video. The WTC towers were the primary guide posts for alignment, as the manhattan scenery in FS is similar but not completely accurate.
I would suggest tweaking the camera angle until the proportions of buidling A to B and the bands on the WTCs match up. You want to be as accurate as possible, because small little shifts can make some big impacts.
Though, they shouldn't be as dramatic as you are showing. STill, make the camera angles irrefutible and you've proven the footage is bogus.
Like, Hey Man, I mean, wasn't that like live man? I mean, they must've put Fligt Simulator on CNN right, an then like all the people who saw it, and took pictures, like they are just fooling us people from up state 'cause they think we're stupid.
No, Avery, because it would have lined up if they'd used Flight Simulator. I think CNN used something like Flight Unlimited 3; we know that's not quite as accurate.
Dylan,
Is that you?
fooling us people from up state 'cause they think we're stupid.
they think we're all stupid - actually they probably don't even care what people figure out anymore -
here quit pretending to be subtle and obtuse and read this one:
http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/04/critique-of-complete-official-version.html
Wow, man I mean, crtique?
Unlikely, like that tears it for me.
I'm quiting the job at Red Lobster, and I'm gonna make a mooovie.
Hey, man , then I'm gonna get a cult and this will be the BEST it ever gets for me.
Who's the leader of the cult that's made for you and me?
Avery!
Avery!
Oh you S-O-B!
Like, hey man, there's more than one way to get google to find Loose Change!
make the camera angles irrefutible and you've proven the footage is bogus.
perhaps. i think blueplane and cnn footage are both rooftop shots and not helicopters. fox and cnn showed shots from the same angle prior to the second impact. helicopter shots are easier to distinguish because the camera moves and zooms in and out. in the live wabc shot you can tell the chopper is flying around and lining up with the buildings. in blueplane and cnn footage, the camera is at the same position before the impact (fox and cnn show this). i have rewatched the source but neither fox or cnn given any indication of where the shots are from. but i don't believe either of these shots exhibit chopper qualities.
but i believe these are rooftops shots and if you knew which rooftops, you'd be closer to having a precise angle.
Shep--
I think you're probably right-- initially I thought the camera angles looked too elevated for rooftop shots and had to be helicopter shots. But they may well be rooftop shots-- they are very steady, and these things can be tricky. But the camera positions I was using are 500 feet for blue plane and 300 feet for CNN-- and they match fairly well. They could be low choppers or rooftop shots.
the angle from your flight simulator is quite close? look at how much space there is between the tower and the small building to its right, then check out the still from CNN. please try again.
by the way, i love this site. it's almost as funny as the onion.
Yeah, it's freakin' hilarious when the govt and media LIE to us about such a horrible day as 9/11, ain't it?
As far as the alignment, I meant the plane with the towers and the angle of the towers. The buildings surrounding the WTC are not aligned perfectly in Flight Simulator and never line up properly with stills.
you're doing it right spooked, and you're explaining what you're doing properly as well. if the towers line up the same but the plane does not then that means that something is phony with the plane.
Hey Spook, nice job using the Flight Simulator. That's a great method.
Check out Killtown's video #3 where the plane goes UP (gains altitude) and *still* falls short of the impact zone by 10 floors. The camera is shaking, but you can isolate key frames and overlap the buildings in Photoshop to see what I'm talking about.
-broodlinger (lc forums)
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