Once More: We Were Lied To About The Planes
Before today, I didn't realize that on the morning of 9/11, the networks very early on, were showing both this video:
and this video:
If you watch the videos, it is painfully obvious the plane paths are completely different.
Both videos show the trajectory of the plane before it turns (banks) more to the north. In the first video, there is only a slight descent before the plane turns and hits the building. In the second video, there is a huge descent before the turn.
In other words, this massive discrepency was apparent from the very beginning-- from the very first footage they showed us, which came from some mysterious helicopters hovering north of the WTC on 9/11.
The discrepency in plane paths means the footage cannot show a real plane, but rather most likely shows a computer animation. And they put the evidence in our face from the get-go.
UPDATE: the discrepency is also in the approach direction. Video 1 shows the plane coming from the SW, whereas video 2 shows an approach from the SSW.
And to people who don't seem to understand what I am talking about-- the plane path contradiction is clear if you look and use your brain. I have explained what the contradiction means and how they probably did it in many previous posts. If you wish to cast aspersions, please explain what basis you are making the claim. Thanks.
and this video:
If you watch the videos, it is painfully obvious the plane paths are completely different.
Both videos show the trajectory of the plane before it turns (banks) more to the north. In the first video, there is only a slight descent before the plane turns and hits the building. In the second video, there is a huge descent before the turn.
In other words, this massive discrepency was apparent from the very beginning-- from the very first footage they showed us, which came from some mysterious helicopters hovering north of the WTC on 9/11.
The discrepency in plane paths means the footage cannot show a real plane, but rather most likely shows a computer animation. And they put the evidence in our face from the get-go.
UPDATE: the discrepency is also in the approach direction. Video 1 shows the plane coming from the SW, whereas video 2 shows an approach from the SSW.
And to people who don't seem to understand what I am talking about-- the plane path contradiction is clear if you look and use your brain. I have explained what the contradiction means and how they probably did it in many previous posts. If you wish to cast aspersions, please explain what basis you are making the claim. Thanks.
posted by spooked at 10:35 PM
12 Comments:
Idiot.
why is he an idiot? comments such as that should require an explanation. idiot.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Simply looking at the pictures there is no contradiction in the flight path. The burden of proof is on you to explain how such a hoax could have been executed.
and yet when comparing the 2 videos the contradiction in flight paths is readily apparent.
no, the burden should be on the respective camera men to explain how and why such a hoax could have been executed.
It seems like part of the explaination is that the two videos show different time frames. In the first one the plane is on the screen for about six seconds before impact, while in the second it takes about eight seconds. In the second video the most dramatic part of the descent takes place at the very beginning.
I disagree, anon at 10:19am.
The fireball starts at 6 seconds in both videos. The plane trajectory in the first video has very little descent and this last for several seconds. There is nothing corresponding to this movement in the second video. There is also the issue of what direction the planes come from-- they clearly come from significantly different directions.
Spooked, help me line up these two camera shots with one of your second hit maps. I believe I can see WTC7 and the triangluar top shaped building to the right as common reference points in both shots. I am trying to get a handle on the difference in altitude drop between to two planes but I am getting too wrapped up in the differences in the approach direction. In video 2, it appears the plane is coming right at the camera, atleast before the descent and bank in this picture. I am having a hard time getting a handle on where the plane is coming from in Video 1. I can't seem to tell on the maps.
Great source for live footage from CNN and FOX: http://www.archive.org/details/911-Chronology-Source
Spooked, have you stumbled over this yet? You can find a recreation of the WTC complex in 3D for Google Earth and overlay with the 3D models of the NYC skyline built into Google Earth. Gives you some great models to help represent plane paths
Shep-- I think these two videos were taken by the two helicopters on Manhattan (east and west sides of the island) that are closest to the WTC, north of it. WTC7 is the brown bldg seen in front of the north towers in video 2 and more in front of the south tower in video 1.
Thanks for the links, Shep.
Yes, both fireballs start at the six second mark in each video, but the profile video doesn't show the plane at all for the first second. In the straight on video we see that the most significant part of the descent takes place in the first second. You don't get to see that part of the descent in the profile video, so that explains the difference you're seeing.
Spooked,
Ok, so referencing this map, you believe Video 1 would have been shot from a helicopter ~1 mile north of the towers and Video 2 would have been shot from a helicopter ~2 miles northeast of the towers? Basically, the two purple annotations closest to the towers OVER the island (the ones over Jersey appear closer, but are not the ones I am refering too). Just looking for some clarification...
And not that it makes a difference WRT the plane approach angle and approach path, but Video 1, IMO, doesn't seem to be from a helicopter. Watch what CNN was showing after the first hit but before the second... They were showing Video 1. Video 1 zooms in close on the damage at times and pans out. It just seems too low to the ground to be from a helicopter. This doesn't, however, change the fact that the two videos contridict eachother.
If would be difficult, but not impossible to model this (whos afraid of a little Trig?) with SketchUp. You can export SketchUp models to GoogleEarth (probably what that WTC model I linked too above did, albeit, rather poorly) and place the model in NYC. It would be a massive undertaking. Have you considered anything along these lines? I started importing NYC street maps into SketchUp, laying them down on the XY plane and constructing buildings accordingly, as a 'proof of concept'... If I come up with anything decent, I'll be sure to share.
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