WTC1 Debris
The debris pile in the footprint of WTC1 is absurdly small -- it is 20 feet deep at most. We're talking about a 1360 foot building turning into a 20 foot pile of rubble.
Excluding the core and structural core, if you simply use a very conservative figure of 6 inches of solid compacted material per floor, the fallen floors should have been AT MINIMUM 55 feet of debris.
IN REALITY the debris pile would have been much bigger than 55 feet in height due to the huge core columns that came down along with the floors.
Even if you assume the debris was spread over twice the footprint of WTC1 (though remember, we are talking about the FLOORS here, not the walls that clearly blew outwards-- the floors appeared to have gone straight down)-- we are talking a debris pile of 27 feet AT MINIMUM, just from the floors.
Now-- it is possible that the basement region of WTC1 collapsed-- though I can't find any evidence for that and this clearly didn't happen for WTC2-- and that much of the WTC1 debris went in there. It seems to me that if the basement region collapsed, we would see more of a cratering effect around WTC1, and this clearly is not seen. Nonetheless, the possibility that much debris went below the ground is why this debris pile is merely very suspicious rather than an absolute smoking gun.
posted by spooked at 8:27 AM
4 Comments:
Hi Spooked,
How do you know how high the debris pile was? What makes you sure it's 20 feet and not 70 feet? Thanks.
Fred
ms. professor wood said that the debris pile was only 20' - she has contemplated 9/11 more than anyone with the possible exception of spooked. i say that if she says that it was 20' then it was 20'.
Fred--
that is why I showed the picture of the lobby-- so you could line up the outer columns that remained. The debris only goes up to the walkway area-- about 20 feet up at most.
Spooked, thanks for your answer. I used to go through the WTC lobby all the time, and I guess one issue I have with the analysis of the rubble piles is that there's a whole shopping complex underneath, with long escalators etc. I'm not saying the following happened, but how do we know the rubble pile doesn't start at the bottom of the escalators, which is probably 100 feet below lobby level? The Path trains and stuff are way down there. I know the WB store or whatever survived OK, but I'm not sure it's correct to measure rubble height from lobby level given all the empty space on the floors below the lobby.
I'm not against the beam weapon hypothesis at all, or anti-Judy Woods. I think the video of the spire is compelling evidence for high-energy wizardry turning steel to dust. But I'd be surprised if the floor of the lobby remained intact, especially got zapped from above. It seems to be the rubble pile would start at the bottom of the deep holes, especially when Judy's paper shows deep holes in the street.
I may be wrong, but tell me how please. Thanks.
Fred.
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