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Wednesday, January 20, 2010

Are... They... Really... This Fucking Stupid?????

WASHINGTON — With Democrats reeling from the Republican victory in the Massachusetts special Senate election, President Obama on Wednesday signaled that he might be willing to set aside his goal of achieving near-universal health coverage for all Americans in favor of a stripped-down measure with bipartisan support.
He can't really be this stupid, right???? This is "11-dimensional chess", right??? He knows the Rethugs have absolutely no interest in any significant health care reform, right???

“It is very important to look at the substance of this package and for the American people to understand that a lot of the fear-mongering around this bill isn’t true,” Mr. Obama said in an interview on ABC News.
Ok, fair enough.
“I would advise that we try to move quickly to coalesce around those elements of the package that people agree on.”
WHAT people? Rethungs don't want any health care reform!

He continued: “We know that we need insurance reform, that the health insurance companies are taking advantage of people. We know that we have to have some form of cost containment because if we don’t, then our budgets are going to blow up and we know that small businesses are going to need help so that they can provide health insurance to their families. Those are the core, some of the core elements of, to this bill.”
Again, fair enough.

Mr. Obama’s remarks came as the White House and Democratic congressional leaders fumbled for a way forward with their major health care overhaul, and struggled to digest the reality that their top legislative priority had been derailed by the outcome in Massachusetts.

The White House insisted that Mr. Obama still preferred passage of a far-reaching health care measure, and Democratic leaders said they were weighing their options. But some lawmakers in both parties began calling for a scaled-back bill that could be adopted quickly with bipartisan support. (snip) The victory in Massachusetts on Tuesday, by the Republican candidate, Scott Brown, denies Democrats the 60th vote they need to surmount filibusters and advance a revised health measure. And Senate leaders said they would not risk antagonizing voters by trying to rush a bill through before Mr. Brown could be sworn in.
Just kill me now. Jesus.

8 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is true that the republicans (rethugs) have no interest in genuine health care reform. However, the Democratic voters in Massachusetts also realize that the Democrats have interest in reform as well. Under the current universal health care plan now in force in Massachusetts, a single person, working part-time, making 30K a year, has to, under pain of law, pay 600 a month for mandatory health insurance. Many feel it is just a form of enforced consumption, an onerous tax. Once the single pay option goes out the window(like canada, Ireland), all you are left with is a new giant tax. Rightfully so, the voters see it as being sold into a new form of debt bondage. As it is, in Massachusetts, the insurance companies control the people so much that if you are late with your car insurance payment, the cops become bounty hunters, agents of the insurance companies, where they can wait for you to leave to go to work, arrest you, and keep your car as if you were a drug dealer. What do they get to keep if you do not pay your health insurance premium--cut out your kidneys, steal your kids?Barney Frank is nothing but a shill for the financial enslavers and Obama is nothing but the hand picked puppet.

10:03 PM  
Blogger spooked said...

Thanks-- I understand what you're saying. My wish for health care reform never entailed these sorts of horrible mandates. Just from a political perspective, what Obama and the dems seem to be saying is simply fucking dumb.

I suppose if enlisting rethug support meant they would remove the mandate aspect of this, it would be an improvement, but 1) I am not sure this would happen, and 2) rethugs have NO desire for health care reform, period.

6:46 AM  
Blogger spooked said...

I tend to agree with this:


In the wake of the MA disaster, Obama sez, vis-a-vis health care:

"I would advise that we try to move quickly to coalesce around those elements of the package that people agree on."

By "people" he means the insurance industry and Republicans. I suspect that everyone is going to coalesce around the idea of mandates. And everyone will coalesce around the concept of not forcing the industry to pay for people who are actually ill.

"We know that we have to have some form of cost containment..."

Nothing in the present bill contains cost. Folks in single-payer countries pay far less per capita for health care than we do. Single-payer would have lopped 30% off of costs like that, but Obama made sure that single-payer was a non-starter. And the Dems in Congress made sure that there would be no drug re-importation from Canada, an idea that John McCain favored.

So how are we going to contain costs? Near as I can tell, the only method of cost containment that "everyone" (defined as the insurance industry and the Republicans) can "coalesce" around will be not providing coverage. Recission. Not covering people with pre-existing conditions. Cutting back on all sorts of actual health care.

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2010/01/move-quickly-to-coalesce.html

6:54 AM  
Blogger spooked said...

Of course, the bigger worry is not so much that Obama is stupid but rather evil, and that he just thinks WE'RE stupid.

7:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CIA, 2nd Gen.

8:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This could all have been pre-planned. We know how easy it is to fake elections.

Indeed it could even be a way of pissing on Ted Kennedy's grave as he was perhaps the biggest supporter of health care (allegedly.)

Just like War, it appears to be chaotic, but most or all of those have been pre-planned.

It gives the appearance that they tried (cough)--which may be all that they had in mind all along.

A.P.

8:58 AM  
Blogger engineer said...

Fake election but also, conditioned, TV. PR firms write the "news". The Robots spiel it out.

It would be refreshing to get Bush back. Honest by Obamber standards.

Yes, everything according to plan: condition the zombies to vote for the Rupugnacan, so Omama can pass the buck.

Dems like it too. More pass the buck.

"Folks in single-payer countries pay far less per capita for health care than we do. "

Huge margin. Insurance.

9:08 AM  
Blogger nickname said...

I disagree with people who keep saying how brilliant Obama is. They said the same thing about Clinton.

What has either one of those fools EVER said that justifies labeling them as being brilliant?

A large, non-homogenous society, dominated by powerful special interests, needs a President who is smart enough to figure out how to get good things accomplished, in spite of the pressures.

The last President like that was Lyndon Johnson.

To my knowledge, there isn't a single prominent politician in Washington today who could hold a candle to LBJ - when he was Senate Majority Leader or President.

Harry Reid is ill-suited for the high position he holds in the U.S.
Senate. Ditto Nancy Pelosi.

We need another forceful leader who understands the deep desires and longings of the millions of Americans who are powerless to improve their lot and need help so that they and their children might have just a little bit better chance of living out the promise.

If only Alan Grayson was a Texan.

9:49 AM  

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