Flight 77 Victims' Remains Found Outside the Pentagon "Exit Hole"?
The official gov't Pentagon victims remains chart (double click to enlarge):
Notice almost half of the flight 77 victims remains were found outside the exit hole, in the A-E drive (the dense cluster of circles at the top of the diagram).
I know this will really piss off the folks at "Screw Loose Change"-- to question the sanctity of this diagram-- but here's a picture of the exit hole with apparent plane debris outlined in red:
I have to say that I am having trouble understanding:
a) how so many remains came out the exit hole when so little of the plane came out of the hole.
b) where exactly all these remains are in the small pile of rubble in the picture.
Now I suppose the official story is that the crash of the plane caused the passengers' bodies to fragment into very small pieces and many of these pieces were carried out of the exit hole by the pressure wave created by the crash and resulting fireball. And that the remains that were found were very just very small pieces in this pile of rubble.
The problem with this argument is that if the bodies fragmented into very small pieces, they should have been scattered much more INSIDE the Pentagon than they appear to have, according to the diagram.
On the other hand, the pile of rubble outside the exit hole would have been an easy place for an evil operative to plant remains of victims that were obtained from another place.
Or possibly, the diagram of the flight 77 victims remains is a complete fabrication-- just another part of the hoax.
All of this is by no means casting aspersions on the poor victims of flight 77 and those that died in the Pentagon attack. Questioning where exactly they died on that terrible day is how we seek justice for their deaths.
Notice almost half of the flight 77 victims remains were found outside the exit hole, in the A-E drive (the dense cluster of circles at the top of the diagram).
I know this will really piss off the folks at "Screw Loose Change"-- to question the sanctity of this diagram-- but here's a picture of the exit hole with apparent plane debris outlined in red:
I have to say that I am having trouble understanding:
a) how so many remains came out the exit hole when so little of the plane came out of the hole.
b) where exactly all these remains are in the small pile of rubble in the picture.
Now I suppose the official story is that the crash of the plane caused the passengers' bodies to fragment into very small pieces and many of these pieces were carried out of the exit hole by the pressure wave created by the crash and resulting fireball. And that the remains that were found were very just very small pieces in this pile of rubble.
The problem with this argument is that if the bodies fragmented into very small pieces, they should have been scattered much more INSIDE the Pentagon than they appear to have, according to the diagram.
On the other hand, the pile of rubble outside the exit hole would have been an easy place for an evil operative to plant remains of victims that were obtained from another place.
Or possibly, the diagram of the flight 77 victims remains is a complete fabrication-- just another part of the hoax.
All of this is by no means casting aspersions on the poor victims of flight 77 and those that died in the Pentagon attack. Questioning where exactly they died on that terrible day is how we seek justice for their deaths.
posted by spooked at 11:07 AM
18 Comments:
The problem with this argument is that if the bodies fragmented into very small pieces, they should have been scattered much more INSIDE the Pentagon than they appear to have, according to the diagram.
You have extensive experience in the dispersal of body parts during airplane crashes into buildings? Wow, you conspiracy theorists know everything.
Another smoking gun, Spooked.
Where do people sit in the airplane? Do they sit in the Engines? Do they sit in the wings?
Of course, the people sit in the fuselage, which cannot possibly punch that giant hole in the wall. The only way you have that giant hole is if one of the engines, like a giant wrecking ball, punched through there. In fact, I think that's the "official story", isn't it? Didn't we see a bunch of engine parts there proving that a big plane must have crashed?
Now, if that hole were punched by an engine, the people would not be lined up with that hole, would they? If we see some wreckage from the engine there, it can't really be lined up with the fuslage, can it? Aren't the engines out on the wings?
Since conspiracy smasher is intent on covering up the mass murder of innocent people, he wants us all to believe that the people found were all ready ground up inside the engine of the plane. Just like he wants us to believe that the people who were in the plane that hit the world trade center got "accidentally" found in manholes around GZ just a week before the midterm election.
The dwindling 16% of people in the USA who believe conspiracy smasher's government propaganda are going to have a hard time beliving that the victims were all sitting inside the engine.
I wonder how many more women will have to get firebombed to keep this quiet. You know you're dealing with true psychopaths when the murderers hire PR agencies to publicize their crimes.
Fred
A couple points here: first off, nothing in that exit hole looks badly burned. The fireball was on the outside of the pentagon, as we all clearly saw in the 5 frames of video they released from the tollbooth camera.
So, the bodies can't have been vaporized. The jet fuel was in the wings and the people were in the center of the plane, in the fuselage. (Pretending that there was a plane with people in it that hit the Pentagon.)
If the official story were true, and there were 20 bodies in that rubble pile, you'd see arms, legs, feet, severed heads, fingers, blood. In short, it would look like a plane crash.
You wouldn't see a pile of unburned and unbloddied metal scrap debris that looks like it would have fit in a duffle bag. I guarantee you if you put that pile of debris out on the curb, the garbage man would not call the police and accuse you of having dumped 20 dead bodies.
It's just another lie, and one that's easy to debunk.
Either the photo they released is totally fake (highly likely), or the chart showing a pile of dead bodies is totally fake (equally likely), or they're both fake (almost 100% certain.)
It's a lie, it's a hoax, and they just publlished a list of names in the papers (like they said they would in Northwoods.) Why do you think the victims on the planes went to a "special" morgue? Do you think the people carrying out the bodies of the workers in the pentagon were able to say "This is the body of a civilian contractor working at the pentagon" and "This is the body of a civilian plane passenger?". OF COURSE NOT.
They've published another verifiably false piece of "evidence".
Wherever the victims listed from that flight are, they're not in that pile of scrap metal in front of that hole.
Fred
So now it looks like the officials are saying the passengers caused the exit hole! First nosecone, then landing gear (found INSIDE), now passengers!
I can't believe people still believe the official story.
You have extensive experience in the dispersal of body parts during airplane crashes into buildings?
wow you've certainly got us by the short hairs with that one don't you b? hmmm. oh here's one for you!:
how did a 757 glance off the lawn of the pentagon (the official claim!) while not leaving even the slightest scratch on said lawn, and why did the face of the pentagon building where said 757 impacted remain standing for a good 1/2 hour before just sort of collapsing into a loose heap?
and here's one for extra credit!:
why was the fire at the pentagon restarted again after being completely extinguished, and why were the 2 damaged cars (photographs!) where the fire and damage was replaced with 2 different cars in subsequent photographs?
come on b, don't be a spoilsport (or an evil sack of crap!), answer these questions!
I wonder if one single family member of any of the people on the four planes got an intact body back. Of any of the "crashes" the Pentagon one would have been the most likely to have them and apparently - again - nothing but "small remains." Sometimes I believe a lot of people question all this but too many simply don't care, or are scared to run afoul of our government. And with the way it's been run of late - who can blame them.
Can we have a vote cancelling the 'War on Terror' until this thing is sorted out?
Demmy accidentally lets the truth slip out.
The entire point of the 9-11 truth movement is to force the withdrawal of allied forces from contact with the enemy.
Just as Demmy stated above.
The answer to your question Demmy is a resounding "NO!". We aren't going to sacrifice our best hope for victory over the enemy so we can stop and educate the willfully ignorant.
Yeah. You put up a website which you think helps the murderers escape. That makes you about the lowest you can go and still be human.
so we can stop and educate the willfully ignorant
oh the sheer irony of those words coming from sword of truth!
sword of truth, I'm not a part of any "movement" and Democrat does not speak for me. But he is right, and you are missing his point.
The premise of the entire "War on Terror" is that we were attacked by Muslims on 9/11. I don't believe that. Accordingly, I think the War on Terror is a fraud, and the war on Iraq was largely sold to the American people using the fear caused by 9/11.
Whether or not that means the troops should be withdrawn is a different question with different considerations now that troops are there. I support withdrawal for different reasons.
Iraq is not my reason for wanting to find the perpetrators of the 9/11 crimes.
"Iraq is not my reason for wanting to find the perpetrators of the 9/11 crimes."
However, the death and chaos in Iraq should certainly be taken into account at sentencing.
However, the death and chaos in Iraq should certainly be taken into account at sentencing.
So when you are placed on trial for spreading enemy propaganda in time of war, you're saying you want the loss of life in Iraq (much of wich could have been prevented without US citizens at home advocating the enemies position as you have) taken into account when you are sentenced?
sword of truth! have your all of the structural engineers figured out yet what caused the spontaneous combustion of the many dozens of cars some located several blocks distant from the wtc as it was rendered totally into powder at the astounding rate of 11 floors per second each?
(the continuing sound of crickets chirping in lieu of a real response - how many times have i asked you that now?)
no? i now take your ignoring of this question (for the eleventeenth time no less!) for what it really is; total willing capitulation on the part of yourself and your little conspiracy pincher posse to the truth that the official govt/media storyline of 9/11 was nothing more than a fairytale.
I asked you when you first posted this nonsense for evidence showing exactly where these cars were and you never provided it.
With us, or with the terrorists.
That's you in a nutshell, Demmy. C. S. Lewis wrote that "the greayesy trick the devil ever did was convincing the world he doesn't exist". If you are succesful in your efforts in convincing the world that islamic extremists don't exist, you will have handed back to Al-Queada the element of suprise that they so effectively used to murder more than 2700 of your countrymen and 25 of mine.
Honest critics of the Bush administration are with us. 9-11 twoofers have never been even remotely honest, you are most definately with them.
I won't go so far to declare that "put up a website which helps the murderers escape" makes one complicit...
This is exactly what you and Spook have done with your websites, helping Osama get away with it seems to be an obsession of yours.
Boy, would these guys make great soldiers.
An honor you would never know. You lack the courace, intellect and discipline that it takes to make a good soldier.
Your hatred for those who serve is showing through again.
Must_follow_orders, no_questions.
I understand this is basically the kind of indoctrination that goes on in Al-Queada training camps. It obviously worked quite well on you.
You know what, if peddlers of the "official story" honestly believed 19 Arab hijackers successfully executed a plan in which they all gained access to the cockpits of their planes, all turned off transponders (for what reason?) in all four planes they targeted, accomplished everything they wanted and managed to do it on a day when no one in NORAD or the FAA could manage to follow a regular protocol, if you REALLY believe that, then explain WHY NOT ONE PERSON WAS FIRED OR LOST THEIR JOB FOR WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT DAY. You cannot be completely incompetent and the most powerful nation on Earth at the same time.
sword of truth said, and i quote:
I asked you when you first posted this nonsense for evidence showing exactly where these cars were and you never provided it.
the only nonsense is your statement here. you've never made such a request in all my long history of asking you this.
you have seen the photos of said cars just as the rest of us have. again, i take your continued deflection from this issue and the issue of all the other 9/11 fairytale discrepancies for what it must be: a conceding of the points that we continuously try to make.
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9 = peculiar wilting of car doors and deformed window surrounds on FDR drive. (a map of lower manhatten shows that wtc and fdr dr. are 1/2 mile or more apart)
8 = toasted cars in a lot near the wtc.
10 = Blistered car on FDR Drive with unburned upholstery and unburned plastic window molding.
11 = Front half of a car burned with a shiny, unburned rear half. (what's up with that?)
12 = What burned and dragged these cars and mangled the left rear wheel? Where are the door handles?
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so. after you address the single issue of the burnt cars perhaps you will address the issue of why the NIST report comprised of many structural engineer smart-guys failed to explain why all of the concrete of wtc2 was rendered into powder and much of the massive steel columns (also of wtc2) disappeared entirely after only 10 seconds? (the astounding rate of 11 floors per second)
9-11 twoofers have never been even remotely honest, you are most definately with them.
right, not even remotely honest!
(see my questions above re: burnt cars and completely renderring into powder of ALL concrete)
helping Osama get away with it seems to be an obsession of yours.
hmmm. was it not the FBI who stated that they have no real evidence connecting osama with 9/11?
poor sword of truth! this is why we are laughing at you all across the internet!
giggle!
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